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Old 06-29-2014, 10:15 AM   #211
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You can't even make a statement without the "thread police" breathing down your neck ..... Last I checked we still lived in the good old USA ..... lol
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Old 06-29-2014, 10:17 AM   #212
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Is this from the same source that fed you this?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350139
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Old 06-29-2014, 10:44 AM   #213
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You can't even make a statement without the "thread police" breathing down your neck ..... Last I checked we still lived in the good old USA ..... lol
Apparently you haven't been following how Mr. O is transforming the USA. If you don't agree with them you are shouted down or called a flat earthier or denier. Uses the IRS to intimidate or shutdown opposition and then burns the evidence in defiance of the law. Free press is a joke as it is the propoganda wing of the Democratic party. I'm glad I don't have children
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Old 06-29-2014, 10:44 AM   #214
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That would be odd considering Al Oppenheiser said himself there would be no 4 cylinder.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329009

Well maybe Mary Berra had Al over for dinner and convinced him differently.
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Apparently you haven't been following how Mr. O is transforming the USA. If you don't agree with them you are shouted down or called a flat earthier or denier. Uses the IRS to intimidate or shutdown opposition and then burns the evidence in defiance of the law. Free press is a joke as it is the propoganda wing of the Democratic party. I'm glad I don't have children
Yes, complaints about off-topic posts in this thread are clearly Obama's fault. Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:03 PM   #216
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Yes, complaints about off-topic posts in this thread are clearly Obama's fault. Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention.
No. Sorry. Just a general observation regarding a posters comment regarding freedom of speech and the USA. My bad.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:16 PM   #217
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That's not true at all. You have millions in R&D dollars per platform. You have to engineer an entire new driveline. It doesn't matter that the chassis already exists and accepts those engines. You have a totally different configuration and everything has to be custom-sized and mounted. You're also going to need to design and tune a whole different suspension setup. Then there is the liability of adding a 4 cylinder to a line of carbs that have never had a 4 cylinder motor. The V6's and V8's are known sellers, and the I-4's will have to be subsidized through then. Expect the V6 and V8 costs to increase in order to pay for the I-4's debut.

The cheapest way to make the Camaro is to make one car with no options. Want a cheap Camaro? Every single Camaro is a black 2SS with a manual transmission. Prices would fall, or GM could sell them for the same price but at a much higher margin. This is why Ford initially only made black cars - just the availability of the options costs money because you have all that R&D into something that may or may not even sell.
This is what I was thinking to keep the costs down. Although the Chevrolet SS sedan follows that formula with few options but it is still quite costly.

I'm not an automotive engineer, but if you take a vehicle with a given amount of mass and decide to put in smaller and smaller engines, it stands to reason those smaller engines have to work harder to get that mass moving.

What is the benefit in utilizing a 4-cylinder engine that has to rev twice as frequently as an 8-cylinder engine? I am sure there are multiple variables to consider such as rotational mass, but four pistons pumping twice as often as eight pistons will pretty much even out in terms of fuel consumption in my estimation.

Engines should not be made to work that hard. Focus on making powertrains more fuel efficient without removing cylinders. Smaller displacement and forced induction adds complexity and stress on your powertrain which is not ideal for longevity.

The recipe for a Camaro or any muscle car should be affordable V8 RWD power as a starting point for your design. Begin with V8 and RWD under $30k as your goal. Every other option that adds cost does not matter. Ordering two extra cylinders and a rear-wheel driveshaft should not increase the cost of a vehicle by 50% to 100% of the base price as it does now.
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Ordering two extra cylinders and a rear-wheel driveshaft should not increase the cost of a vehicle by 50% to 100% of the base price as it does now.
Two additional cylinders translates to a 25% power increase (103 HP) in the current Camaro. Bigger transmission, rear axle, brakes, tires, rims, cooling, starter. Your getting a lot more car
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No. Sorry. Just a general observation regarding a posters comment regarding freedom of speech and the USA. My bad.
NOT nearly as bad as mustang6g...it's now PILL-APPROVED, which tells volumes.

Back to an earlier question about BIGGER:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365811
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Can the LFX engine get 400 hp like the LGX ? I'm asking because I'd like to keep my LFX as long as possible and still be competitive.
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Can the LFX engine get 400 hp like the LGX ? I'm asking because I'd like to keep my LFX as long as possible and still be competitive.
Shrinkdoc is known for drive by postings. He's a troll. He has no real information. He is willing to post anything to see if anyone is gullible enough to repeat what he says.

There are no publicly available specifications about the LGX, especially the HP.
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Old 06-29-2014, 05:20 PM   #223
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Shrinkdoc is known for drive by postings. He's a troll. He has no real information. He is willing to post anything to see if anyone is gullible enough to repeat what he says.

There are no publicly available specifications about the LGX, especially the HP.
How reliable is your twin turbo set up? Will I need any other new parts to accommodate twin turbos?
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This is what I was thinking to keep the costs down. Although the Chevrolet SS sedan follows that formula with few options but it is still quite costly.

I'm not an automotive engineer, but if you take a vehicle with a given amount of mass and decide to put in smaller and smaller engines, it stands to reason those smaller engines have to work harder to get that mass moving.

What is the benefit in utilizing a 4-cylinder engine that has to rev twice as frequently as an 8-cylinder engine? I am sure there are multiple variables to consider such as rotational mass, but four pistons pumping twice as often as eight pistons will pretty much even out in terms of fuel consumption in my estimation.

Engines should not be made to work that hard. Focus on making powertrains more fuel efficient without removing cylinders. Smaller displacement and forced induction adds complexity and stress on your powertrain which is not ideal for longevity.

The recipe for a Camaro or any muscle car should be affordable V8 RWD power as a starting point for your design. Begin with V8 and RWD under $30k as your goal. Every other option that adds cost does not matter. Ordering two extra cylinders and a rear-wheel driveshaft should not increase the cost of a vehicle by 50% to 100% of the base price as it does now.
This is why a turbo was invented.

Illustration.
Audi s4 vs boosted a4
The boosted a4 makes the same power and more torque.
But it's lighter.
For a similar example.
911 vs 911t
Both 6s... Can you guess which is faster.


Turbo charging to stoic. Ratios allow equal power with less displacement
Without getting into too much detail....
Put the air fuel under pressure and it maximizes the space inside the cyl.

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