If you had 1500 for bolt ons

[Airmaster]

Originally Posted by Cpaint9041

Yeah send pics when it's all said and done. What's the total $1650?

Just rounding off the numbers and prices...

Intake: $200
Catch Can: $150
Throttle Body: $150 (you have to pay 350 up front, you get 200 back when you send the old one back)
High Flow Cats: $630 (We just had a group sale you can jump in by tomorrow, http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284499)
Catback: Not sure yet, hoping around 800 to 900

So... around 2000, but if you go for an MRT axle back, move that down 400 and you've got the 1650 like you mention lol.

[Cpaint9041]

Originally Posted by Airmaster

Just rounding off the numbers and prices...

Intake: $200
Catch Can: $150
Throttle Body: $150 (you have to pay 350 up front, you get 200 back when you send the old one back)
High Flow Cats: $630 (We just had a group sale you can jump in by tomorrow, http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284499)
Catback: Not sure yet, hoping around 800 to 900

So... around 2000, but if you go for an MRT axle back, move that down 400 and you've got the 1650 like you mention lol.

Yeah might do the mrt axle back instead. It's looking good man good luck

[SimpleGreen]

I really like my setup for a daily driver without getting too carried away. CAI brand intake with ADM scoop and Apex bottle relocator, RX Catch Can (must have) with breather, Vmax throttle body, and Dynomax VT axle back exhaust. I spent around $1150. A Trifecta tune would round it out nicely.

[Cpaint9041]

yeah as a daily driver i think 1100-1500 is reasonable and not too bad IMO

[skibik]

My understanding from Solo is the HFC's add 15HP.

Here is what I have on mine:
Injen CAI short ram chrome just under $300 I think $280 when I bought
MRT V2.0 $550
Solo HFC's with discount $600+(not sure what they are asking on the current discount)
Ported TB $150 after core was returned.
Elite Engineering Catch Can $165 (RX CC is cheaper but I opted to spend more to get a can that unscrewed instead of having a hose hanging off the bottom that may get left open JMO)

If you wish to see any of the above items they can be seen on my build thread link is below.

Below is my clip of the installed V2 axle back and Solo's. If you go to post #97 at this thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=284499&page=3 there is an explanation of the video along with the same link as below.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...86v9hO2c#t=64s






Thanks,
Dean.

[Yohan]

When you get a chance, one of the best mods you can do, is replace the HEAVY RS wheels for lighter ones. While the stock RS wheels are nice looking, they are heavy for our v6 cars, and hamper our performance. Plenty of good looking aftermarket wheels that are much lighter. The lighter wheels are one of the best MPG/performance improvements for your money.

[intensifi]

Originally Posted by Yohan

When you get a chance, one of the best mods you can do, is replace the HEAVY RS wheels for lighter ones. While the stock RS wheels are nice looking, they are heavy for our v6 cars, and hamper our performance. Plenty of good looking aftermarket wheels that are much lighter. The lighter wheels are one of the best MPG/performance improvements for your money.

Yohan,

Do you know the weight of the RS wheels/tires? Any idea what he corresponding TSW Nurburgring wheel/Pzero combo would weigh?

[Cpaint9041]

Originally Posted by skibik

My understanding from Solo is the HFC's add 15HP.

Here is what I have on mine:
Injen CAI short ram chrome just under $300 I think $280 when I bought
MRT V2.0 $550
Solo HFC's with discount $600+(not sure what they are asking on the current discount)
Ported TB $150 after core was returned.
Elite Engineering Catch Can $165 (RX CC is cheaper but I opted to spend more to get a can that unscrewed instead of having a hose hanging off the bottom that may get left open JMO)

If you wish to see any of the above items they can be seen on my build thread link is below.

Below is my clip of the installed V2 axle back and Solo's. If you go to post #97 at this thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=284499&page=3 there is an explanation of the video along with the same link as below.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...86v9hO2c#t=64s






Thanks,
Dean.

Yeah that's pretty much what I'm looking to do in mine haha. The mrt v2 sounds awesome for a v6. And yohan that's a great point. But I don't really feel like buying new tires so I guess I'll be looking for wheels that can fit my current pirellis

[Yohan]

Originally Posted by intensifi

Yohan,

Do you know the weight of the RS wheels/tires? Any idea what he corresponding TSW Nurburgring wheel/Pzero combo would weigh?

Sure, right here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51143

20 x 8" front SS and LT/RS: 13.79Kg / 30.3lbs each = 27.58Kg / 60.7lbs front
Pirelli PZero: 245/45ZR20 summer: 32lbs each.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...re%3D74YR0P0XL


20 x 9" rear SS and LT/RS: 14.55Kg / 32lbs each = 29.1Kg /64lbs rear
Pirelli PZero: 275/40ZR20 summer: 36lbs each
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...re%3D74YR0P0XL

By contrast, lightweight wheels like TSW nurburings or interlagos, etc., and even ForgeStars, in 20"x9 are only 23 lb each. HUGE difference, and performance gain YOU will feel instantly. Cant stress this enough. If you have the RS wheels, ditch them ASAP. They dont belong in a heavy chassis v6 car like ours---they REALLY slow us down.

TSW :http://www.tsw.com/alloy_wheels_nurburgring.php

[skibik]

So do you have data on the performance gains and/or MPG by changing the wheels? I understand that by installing a lighter weight wheel that you will have less rotating mass but I think the amount of change would in my opinion would not be worth $1500 to $1600 to justify it. I can see changing out the steel ones on an LS or changing them out for looks if you don't like the spokes but I can't see changing them out just to gain less then 1 MPG(guessing) or gaining so little HP that it may or may not even read on a dyno. JMO that if you like the wheels you have I would spend that kind of money on other upgrades or mods.

Dean.

[Yohan]

Originally Posted by skibik

So do you have data on the performance gains and/or MPG by changing the wheels? I understand that by installing a lighter weight wheel that you will have less rotating mass but I think the amount of change would in my opinion would not be worth $1500 to $1600 to justify it. I can see changing out the steel ones on an LS or changing them out for looks if you don't like the spokes but I can't see changing them out just to gain less then 1 MPG(guessing) or gaining so little HP that it may or may not even read on a dyno. JMO that if you like the wheels you have I would spend that kind of money on other upgrades or mods.

Dean.

Here's an article http://www.caranddriver.com/features...d-tires-tested

rotational mass is HUGE factor in performance and quite often overlooked. Those with the HEAVY 31lb RS wheels and steel heritage LS wheels, are REALLY hurting their V6 performance. Our cars are already heavy at +3800 lbs curb weight, and on top of that put on very heavy 20" RS wheels or the steel LS heritage wheels, and the car v6 will eat up gas just to get the tank moving!

By saving just 5lb per wheel, this is 20lb over all in static weight---but multiply by the rotational mass factor of 6, and it's really 120lbs less your car has to lug around. It makes huge difference in launch times, acceleration, braking, cornering, and over all handling.

[Yohan]

Car A: spends $1800 in basic bolt on mods---CAI, PTB, Catback, HFC. Yet still has RS wheels, or LS Heritage steel wheels.

Car B: spends $1800 replacing the HEAVY RS wheels/heritage, and instead gets lightweight affordable wheels/tire combo in 18", or even 20" TSW or Forgestar type wheels---he saves 7 lb per wheel, 28lbs total x 6 = 168 lbs saved in rotational mass.

Which car will feel better in terms of performance gains/handling/driveability? If this was a 1/4 race, I think I'll bet my money on Car B, or even a road course.

[skibik]

So on a VW and figure a 7 lb lighter wheel and going by the figures for that car. 0-60 will get between 1 to 2 tenths quicker, 1/4 mile run 1 tenth at 1 MPH faster. Now I would not have guessed that big of a difference in MPG at 1.7 to 1.8 MPG but don't see that happening in these cars. With that said and ignoring the MPG factor by those figures going by the performance factor I would put my money on car A long before putting my money on car B with no mods other than wheels. I think by adding a ported TB(9 RWHP), CAI(approx 15 HP) and HFC's(15 RWHP) with a total of at least 39 crank HP car A is going to cover the quarter mile quicker and faster and it will have a quicker 0-60 times.

I am not trying to rain on your parade but if I like my wheels rotating mass is not that big of a factor to most people. I would rather put my money into performance with a bigger return on my investment than wheels would. But, it is JMO but if I were to have bought an LS like I was planning the first mod would have been wheels. I have the LT and kind of wish I had the SS style chrome as I like them better but have the painted spoke wheel and I do like them also. Not sure what the 18" wheels weigh and really don't care.

Dean.

[SimpleGreen]

Originally Posted by skibik;6396012.

I have the LT and kind of wish I had the SS style chrome as I like them better but have the painted spoke wheel and I do like them also. Not sure what the 18" wheels weigh and really don't care.

Dean.

Our 18" wheels like you and I have are the lightest factory wheels on a Camaro if I recall, except for maybe the 19" wheels on the new Z28. I like the factory 20s but refuse to run them due to the additional weight. Even some SS owners avoid them.