[Smokin19]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Interestingly, this leads back to the perpetual debate on whether or not there are absolutes in interface (or exterior) design. Some say it's all relative, every opinion carries the same weight and anything that floats one's boat goes.

Looking at these rear ends, however, I feel that 00 Trans Ram's analysis is spot on. Granted, I don't share the views of the "all of this is relative" camp, but even someone of a more accommodating view can't simply dismiss these esthetic blunders---the taillight shapes seem to be an attempt at recreating former Camaro designs, but the bulges are amateurish and do not harmonize with the rest of the 6th gen lines; dropping the crease just under the taillights render the rear much blander; and the extra lower bumper trim (cut?) line seals the deal, giving the bumper a stacked two-piece look that is way out of sync with the rest of the body lines.

BTW yes, I did see the refreshed SS in person, I have no problem acknowledging improvements compared to what I chose (say, things like an electronic rear view camera mirror) and harbor no regret or remorse about my purchase, given the chance I'd buy the '18 again.

But Nary a peep, from those that have the A8 transmission problems, every model is going to have something you don't like. Some people just bitch about everything.

[JhonnyGTR]

Originally Posted by mako22

So you agree the 6th Gen is a disaster....and you own one?

Knowing that for everyone in these days there will always be a car that is a disaster for them, well ... everyone chooses the disaster they like the most

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by mako22

So you agree the 6th Gen is a disaster....and you own one?

I do agree with the 6th Gen being a disaster and sales show it . GM didn't move the Camaro to be built in the USA to watch it fall on its face,the amount of sales up to date was not the plan. It don't matter if its in the design, no space for the family, golf clubs or even if people are buying SUVs, the fact is GM would rather be producing them around the clock and selling them like hot cakes. Didn't happen tho . The Camaro is not made for everyone or everyones situation and the more people try to make it fit there life the worse the Camaro looks . For me its the perfect weekend car and go for a drive after work car , its like an amusement ride , and that is what the Camaro does best . There are always some good from a disaster and thats what i cashed in on . I could care less how many it sells or what people think of its design , its my 7th Camaro and its about time they got it right .

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Smokin15

But Nary a peep, from those that have the A8 transmission problems, every model is going to have something you don't like. Some people just bitch about everything.

Good luck with the new ZL1 . Did you sell the Z28 ?

[Smokin19]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

Good luck with the new ZL1 . Did you sell the Z28 ?

Yes

[jcastag]

Originally Posted by Soleil

Very nice pic.
The back of the ˋ19 looks much higher although it isn’t.

Agree. I think the character line gives that look

[AZCamaroFan]

i didn't notice a difference in person, although the picture on the first page one is a ZL1 and one is not. I think the ZL1 is slightly lower.

[mlee]

Might as well compare 2 ZL1's

[Chazzz]

Originally Posted by mlee

Might as well compare 2 ZL1's

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Given the choice between the two I would take the 19 without a doubt....

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by Chazzz

Given the choice between the two I would take the 19 without a doubt....

+1. 2019 ZL1 looks better. I'll be getting one soon.

[hector95z]

I currently drive a 13 SS and I'm looking to upgrade soon. Wish I could go straight to a 19, Sema refresh but, the funds can only do a 17 or 18. Either way, I'm good with it. People, if you're a fan of the nameplate, stick with it and support it, regardless. If you're not, there's a forum, Mustang6, that might interest you, just saying. I've owned 11 different Camaros through the years. I'm a fan, always have been, always will be, it's part of my identity

[Chazzz]

Originally Posted by hector95z

I currently drive a 13 SS and I'm looking to upgrade soon. Wish I could go straight to a 19, Sema refresh but, the funds can only do a 17 or 18. Either way, I'm good with it. People, if you're a fan of the nameplate, stick with it and support it, regardless. If you're not, there's a forum, Mustang6, that might interest you, just saying. I've owned 11 different Camaros through the years. I'm a fan, always have been, always will be, it's part of my identity

Agree 100%.... The future of the nameplate is possibly at stake here with sales numbers like we have seen thus far over this generation. It wouldn’t be the first time GM changed it's plan and pulled the plug on a new generation of a vehicle already well under development....

[at7000ft]

Originally Posted by YARBIE 1

like the 17 much better. tougher looking.
The way the lights arch up at an angle is also cooler looking.

Agree.

[Soleil]

Tank you mlee for the pics. I think it’s just a matter of time until someone get used to the look. Until now I prefer the ˋ17. The rear bumper looks a little cheap in terms of design. But I guess in spring or summer 19 it will be a normal guests on the roads.