07-20-2012, 08:26 PM | #183 |
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I love my steering wheel. Doesn't look like a pie bowl.
I enjoy having door locks where they normally should be on the car. When I get out and want to lock my door, I don't have to lean into the car to hit the lock button, I can hit it right there on the door. I wish I had the nav screen. It's awesome. You'd change your mind if you had one.
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07-21-2012, 08:51 AM | #184 |
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While the new features are nice additions (minus the redundent door locks and crap corporate steering wheel), they are executed very poorly. Clearly after-thoughts.
And those new wheels.... too thin and spine-y for a bold-bodied muscle car. The form language just doesnt go together. They look more at home on a Malibu. The nav unit, while functionally is great... It's integrated very poorly into the IP. While the regular radio unit is flush with the IP surface, the new nav unit protrudes with a thickness like a chunky old portable CD player. Very un-refined. I'd have to agree... They keep bastardizing what was a pure execution of an amazing concept car. Another fine example of "design-by-committee."
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07-21-2012, 11:39 AM | #185 |
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I work for a consumer products company. One of the first things that I learned was as you innovate to incorporate new technology and to address complaints, people continue to complain. And people call in to complain far more often than to praise (but thank you to the ones that do!) - and squeaky wheels get the grease.
I also learned that for most products that I use, I am not the target consumer. For example, before purchase, I test drove both a 2011 and a 2012. I didn't even notice any of the changes listed in this post (including the backup camera). I like my 2011 steering wheel (it says "Camaro"!) and my center console locks (I only use the fob anyway). That said, the details usually don't bother me if the overall product meets my intent (awesome car - check! ).
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07-21-2012, 12:02 PM | #186 |
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>first they replaced the retro steering wheel with a parts bin wheel
I *much* prefer the new steering wheel >put the lock controls on the doors like every other chevy The PDL button is now where it belongs. Win. >they replace the wheels with ones that everyone seems to dislike I prefer the 2010-2012 SS wheels, but I don't *hate* the new ones >then they added a parts bin Nav System I like the new screen, and its in a good location for use. So in my scorecard, its 3 "improvements" and 1 minor "setback" (and that even that one is just wheels -- the easiest change to make on a car). Overall, that's a winning upgrade to me. |
07-21-2012, 03:32 PM | #187 |
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I guess Chevy also screwed up because they quit making the Corvette the same way it was from the show car in 1953.
People need to get a grip it's not like someone changed the Mona Lisa.
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07-21-2012, 04:29 PM | #188 | |
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"The Fbodfather has spoken" Carry on with your Camaro5 viewing and posting :notheadlights:
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07-22-2012, 05:14 PM | #189 | |
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Customers have asked for navigation - we have delivered.
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They need to also remember the first Gen Camaro. Just look at all the changes it went through in 68 and 69, then by the time it got as old as the 13 Camaro it was completely redesigned into what we know now as the second Gen. So by those standards the 5th gen has just had minor changes. Now look how desirable each one of those cars are today. Does anyone gripe about those yearly changes? Nope!
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07-22-2012, 09:25 PM | #191 |
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I've been watching the show on Velocity Channel about the 2013 cars and concepts and you would be amazed on how many different manufacturers have a very similar steering wheel as the 2012 Camaro has. So I guess you need to accept this style wheel, it's very popular.
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07-22-2012, 09:54 PM | #192 | |
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07-22-2012, 10:21 PM | #193 |
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A single door lock switch is a good cost reduction and makes it harder to beak in the car..that was a good decision
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07-22-2012, 10:29 PM | #194 |
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How?
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07-22-2012, 10:36 PM | #195 |
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Because if you pry the glass out you can just press the button to unlock the car... with the button on the dash its much harder to press. I don't like the lock/unlock button on the door either, yes it took some getting used to, but some change is good.
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07-22-2012, 10:37 PM | #196 | |
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...the new steering wheel is so much more comfortable than the old one. It may not look as hot...but it is better in terms of feel... ...Americans are used to having the locks on the doors...this isn't a "every other Chevy"...it's "every other car on the road". ...Be careful when you say "everyone". "Everyone" hasn't seen them in person, yet. I'm lucky to have seen them. They really aren't as bad as they look in pictures. But no doubt - will take some getting used to. ...We (that's us, as Camaro enthusiasts) begged, cried, and pleaded for in-dash navigation and touch-screen. Here it is! I don't see any of the things you've listed as detracting from the look of the Camaro. In fact, if you consider things like the new dash for '12...I think they've enhanced the look! But that's just my opinion.....what is not my opinion is this: Change is good. It keeps things fresh, and people interested. As long as people are interested, people will buy. And buyers = More Camaros into the future. So, I'd ask you - would you rather have a stagnant (although great-looking) car that's not been changed for years at a time, and have it cancelled again...or would you rather accept some changes that might not be thrilled with (along with some changes you love!), and see the Camaro name prosper well into the future? You asked what I thought..... |
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