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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Here's detail on V8 engines for Ford, GM, and Stellantis. If you just look at V8 engines sold in cars for those three companies, they amount to about just under 40,000 units per year for each company. Out of about 2.5 million vehicles sold for each company. V8 cars account for 1.5% of vehicles Ford sells. All Mustang. For GM, V8 cars account for 1.4%. That includes Camaro and Corvette. For Stellantis it's about 3.2% if you include 5.7L in the mix, and that includes Charger, Challenger, and 300. If you exclude 5.7L, it's 1.7%. In the grand scheme of things, those numbers get lost in the rounding.

Thanks for that data! I was guessing 2,3% I was way wrong. I’m surprised with how consistent the gm v8 car numbers are, it’s like there’s no major drop during COVID supply issues. But they would probably be much higher if there weren’t c8 production issues?

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

its too bad a TT 3.6 would be too expensive in the camaro.would certainly make it competitive with BMW and audi.

I mean, Cadillac ATS-V tried that, and it didn't work out. The same thing is going to happen to CT4-V BW.

It's not that it's a bad engine, it's just that no one likes that engine. Modern German car guys probably are happy with their 6-cylinder turbo, especially given how smooth I6 is compared to V6. German car guys who miss the NA V8 stuff and American car guys are well, going to want an NA V8. There is actually a lot of talk of people saying that if ATS-V came with the LT1, they'd be much more willing to buy it.

And other than the tunability and displacement tax advantage outside of North America, the LF4 doesn't really do anything better than LT1. Fuel economy is similar (even if the 3.6TT does a little better, it's a sports car, it's not a major factor; also, you likely have to never use the boost to get good gas mileage, in which case, why did you buy the car?), weight is similar once you consider the turbos and intercooler on the LF4, the centre of mass is more towards the back, sure, but DOHC also means higher centre of mass, V6 exhaust note doesn't sound as good as V8, and the reliability/longevity is likely worse due to being more stressed. Even the two advantages I mentioned beforehand are moot because these engines are not common, so the aftermarket support is pretty poor, especially when compared to the LS/LT family or the German 6-cylinder turbo rivals. GM also isn't really selling ATS-V/CT4-V BW outside of North America, so the displacement tax advantage is also not utilized.

Some people make a big deal out of "oVeRhEaD cAmS". DOHC is old news at this point, people. Even the cheapest family cars have DOHC. Let me know when a camless engine happens, because that's actually interesting. Multiair is one example and it's actually nice to see how it works.

Also, for CT4-V BW/M4 money, you can pick up a ZL1, which will rip a new one in the former two.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ItsChristianInHD

Ive heard this from a bud that works at Ford. Theres still a good chunk of people in upper management that LOVE a Mustang with a V8. I gotta admit, Ford is not run by fools.

This is coming from a kid/guy that my whole family owned Chevys since the 70s. My grandfather retired from GM. Even I gotta give Ford props if they continue with their V8 plans. They can take the hit when it comes to corporate gas taxes. They should have enough EVs in their lineup to counter the V8 Mustang and the V8 F-150. GM and Stellantis need to stay on the feds good side.

Of course this will depend if the feds find a way to screw everyone as usual.

I think the last I heard was Ford kind of said something like if the people still want a V-8 mustang there will still be a V8 mustang. What that means to me is as long as the F-150 offers a V8 so will the mustang. Even with how much ford has pushed the ecoboost engines, they still offer the V8 bc they know that some truck customers simply wouldn't but a truck without one. So as long as F-150 has a V8 option I expect Mustang to offer one in some capacity.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Here's detail on V8 engines for Ford, GM, and Stellantis. If you just look at V8 engines sold in cars for those three companies, they amount to about just under 40,000 units per year for each company. Out of about 2.5 million vehicles sold for each company. V8 cars account for 1.5% of vehicles Ford sells. All Mustang. For GM, V8 cars account for 1.4%. That includes Camaro and Corvette. For Stellantis it's about 3.2% if you include 5.7L in the mix, and that includes Charger, Challenger, and 300. If you exclude 5.7L, it's 1.7%. In the grand scheme of things, those numbers get lost in the rounding.

Wow that's even less than I thought.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I think the last I heard was Ford kind of said something like if the people still want a V-8 mustang there will still be a V8 mustang. What that means to me is as long as the F-150 offers a V8 so will the mustang. Even with how much ford has pushed the ecoboost engines, they still offer the V8 bc they know that some truck customers simply wouldn't but a truck without one. So as long as F-150 has a V8 option I expect Mustang to offer one in some capacity.



Wow that's even less than I thought.

I believe the 3.5TT in F150 has a design issue with the water pump that will make it leak, and the water pump actually hidden behind the timing cover, so once it leaks, it will leak into the crankcase and destroy the engine in short order. Joy.

Yeah, if I were to buy a truck and tow, I would personally stick with the NA V8 stuff. I doubt the fuel economy benefit is there when you are towing and using the boost and parts are just more stressed in a turbocharged engine. Again, Ford forgot a slash. It should be Eco/Boost. Can't have both at the same time.

Personally, I don't mind small turbo engines in family cars (though I still don't like turbo laaaaaaaaag), but I think GM and FCA's approach of sticking with NA V8 in their trucks make more sense to me.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

I believe the 3.5TT in F150 has a design issue with the water pump that will make it leak, and the water pump actually hidden behind the timing cover, so once it leaks, it will leak into the crankcase and destroy the engine in short order. Joy.

Yeah, if I were to buy a truck and tow, I would personally stick with the NA V8 stuff. I doubt the fuel economy benefit is there when you are towing and using the boost and parts are just more stressed in a turbocharged engine. Again, Ford forgot a slash. It should be Eco/Boost. Can't have both at the same time.

Personally, I don't mind small turbo engines in family cars (though I still don't like turbo laaaaaaaaag), but I think GM and FCA's approach of sticking with NA V8 in their trucks make more sense to me.

The water pump issue is with the transverse 3.5EB's. They have that ridiculous "hidden" design it the others have it accessable like any other engine. Not to say the longitudinal ones don't have issues. Early ones have issues with timing chains stretching but in '18 and up a heavier duty chain design was put into use. I think there were cam phaser issues too, not sure if those have been fully sorted out of not.

[SS_Don]

Originally Posted by Pradagfd

The new 2024 Chevy Camaro is a sports car that comes with a seating capacity for four people. and now it is rumored that the Next 2024 Chevy Camaro will be the last model of this generation Chevy Camaro. and it is expected that it will be available in the spring of 2023 for the 2024 Model year.

It’s not a rumor. Read all the posts on this subject.


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[HemiDave]

Originally Posted by Pradagfd

...and now it is rumored that the Next 2024 Chevy Camaro will be the last model of this generation Chevy Camaro. and it is expected that it will be available in the spring of 2023 for the 2024 Model year.

Not a rumor, GM made it official.

Jan 2024 is the end.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=614579

[arpad_m]

I think you guys got fooled by an AI or a simple chatbot.

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Originally Posted by arpad_m

I think you guys got fooled by an AI or a simple chatbot.

And so it begins…