2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD - Page 222

tt335ci03cobra · 06-25-2012, 05:31 PM

Keep in mind, the "pro stock" gt500 still slaloms at 69mph and pulls .98g lowdown, that's not chump change. A c5 z51 threw down very similar numbers. Take that vette, add 200hp, and tell me it's not a bullet car. Ya it'll be over powered but a driver can adjust for that.

Take the gt500, add some wide sticky nt05's with sport rate springs and sway bars as well as dot 4+ and hawk performance pads. Very balanced car.

Take the zl1, add intake, pulley, tune and catback. Very balanced car.

Neither is perfect but that's the joy of this day and age. All can be personalized if you take matters into your own hands.

8cd03gro · 06-25-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by a_Username

The GT500 must have completely left the ZL1 on those two straights, like terribly. I wish they would have given a turn-by-turn analysis like the other mag did.

Oh, no doubt. That's going to be the name of the game though. That's why I have said since the beginning it's probably going to come down to track choice. There is no denying the superiority the zl1 holds in the tight corners, just like there is no denying the superiority the GT500 holds in the straights.

8cd03gro · 06-25-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

Before anyone looks forward to the Car & Driver lightning lap we all know who they will choose by default- The Shelby GT500

Car & Driver are the most Ford loyal magazine I have ever read or seen. The ZL1 stands no chance in their comparison. The ZL1 will be judged more fairly by Motor Trend & Road & Track before it will be in Car & Driver. If Car & Driver picked the ZL1 over their Ford biasness then it would REALLY show how good a track car the ZL1 is but I dont see it happening hope im proven wrong though.

It always seemed to me that motortrend was the one with a Mustang hard on, but I don't subscribe to any of them anymore really.

LOWDOWN · 06-25-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tt335ci03cobra

-Drifting is not what the gt500 is doing while lapping faster than the zl1.

From the article(s)...

"You're a lot busier behind the wheel in the Mustang, constantly controlling throttle-on oversteer as the engine's prodigious power dominates. Getting sideways is the slow way around a track, but the Mustang's throttle-steering talents did help it rotate better through the tighter turns.

Through the skid pad turn that leads onto the front straight, the GT500's ability to steer with the throttle helped."

Throttle-on oversteer...
Getting sideways...
Throttle-steering...
Steer with the throttle...

DRIFTING

"Parnelli Jones manhandling"...your "wish"...

FINESSE?

Over 'n out.

C5RocksC5 · 06-25-2012, 05:52 PM

Drifting loses time but yet it was still faster. It's amazing what Ford has done to the Mustang's dinosaur-age rear suspension.

Darkstar November · 06-25-2012, 05:56 PM

drifting

steering with the throttle

coming from someone with a fair amount of track experience, your wrong in your assumption.

there is a MASSIVE difference between drifting and using the throttle to rotate the car.

and if the 500 was DRIFTING and still faster, well then, thats pretty bad, since you know, drifting is the slow way around a track

LOWDOWN · 06-25-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkstar November

there is a MASSIVE [throttle input] difference between drifting and using the throttle to rotate the car.

Fixed...but the principle is the SAME.

tt335ci03cobra · 06-25-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

From the article(s)...

"You're a lot busier behind the wheel in the Mustang, constantly controlling throttle-on oversteer as the engine's prodigious power dominates. Getting sideways is the slow way around a track, but the Mustang's throttle-steering talents did help it rotate better through the tighter turns.

Through the skid pad turn that leads onto the front straight, the GT500's ability to steer with the throttle helped."

Throttle-on oversteer...
Getting sideways...
Throttle-steering...
Steer with the throttle...

DRIFTING

"Parnelli Jones manhandling"...your "wish"...

FINESSE?

Over 'n out.

Dude please stop if you don't know what your talking about. 10-20 degrees of angle is not drifting man, it's the back end stepping out.

Trust me and quit with that claim, the zl1 is leaps and bounds faster than a drifted gt500, it's about or a little better than neck and neck with an apexed gt500 on most courses.

richtor · 06-25-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

From the article(s)...

"You're a lot busier behind the wheel in the Mustang, constantly controlling throttle-on oversteer as the engine's prodigious power dominates. Getting sideways is the slow way around a track, but the Mustang's throttle-steering talents did help it rotate better through the tighter turns.

Through the skid pad turn that leads onto the front straight, the GT500's ability to steer with the throttle helped."

Throttle-on oversteer...
Getting sideways...
Throttle-steering...
Steer with the throttle...

DRIFTING

"Parnelli Jones manhandling"...your "wish"...

FINESSE?

Over 'n out.

Did they mention if the nanny controls were on or off? From the one track vid I have seen, The GT500 was not sliding around.

It is also interesting that Inside Line put up a similar ZL1 time in the 11 GT500.

1:25.57(12 ZL1) vs 1:25.6(11 GT500)

GM!

tt335ci03cobra · 06-25-2012, 06:19 PM

Also I'll take a car I can parnelli jones manhandle any day over a computer. I have Forza for neat/tidy stuff. I'm not going to spend $60k on a computer dude. I've spent about that much on my 03 because it's anti tech; it's old school and brash. That's what I like.

Stop trying to force it down everyone's throat that computer tech wizardry stability controls are the bees knees and the gt500/mustangs are just drift rat shit boxes. It's annoying and way off.

LOWDOWN · 06-25-2012, 06:45 PM

For the Ford fans, out of curiosity:

1) Where would the Roush Stage 3 Mustang be, performance-wise? Handling/.25-mile

2) Where would Billy Johnson rank as a Mustang road racer? Jack Roush Jr.?

C5RocksC5 · 06-25-2012, 06:52 PM

time for the 2nd round of "self evaluation."

LOWDOWN, you crack me up.

tt335ci03cobra · 06-25-2012, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

For the Ford fans, out of curiosity:

1) Where would the Roush Stage 3 Mustang be, performance-wise? Handling/.25-mile

2) Where would Billy Johnson rank as a Mustang road racer? Jack Roush Jr.?

Your encouraging persistence is falling on your ears only man. Few with any real conversation are discrediting the zl1, we simply are saying the gt500 isn't a shitty drift rat drag car like your painting it.

ihaveacamaro · 06-25-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tt335ci03cobra

Few with any real conversation are discrediting the zl1, we simply are saying the gt500 isn't a shitty drift rat drag car like your painting it.

Coming from a Camaro guy

View Poll Results: ZL1 or GT500, Which one would you get?
ZL1	5	35.71%
GT500	9	64.29%
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06-25-2012, 05:31 PM	#3095
tt335ci03cobra Drives: 03 cobra 5.3 4v fgt's+62's Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: USA Posts: 146	Keep in mind, the "pro stock" gt500 still slaloms at 69mph and pulls .98g lowdown, that's not chump change. A c5 z51 threw down very similar numbers. Take that vette, add 200hp, and tell me it's not a bullet car. Ya it'll be over powered but a driver can adjust for that. Take the gt500, add some wide sticky nt05's with sport rate springs and sway bars as well as dot 4+ and hawk performance pads. Very balanced car. Take the zl1, add intake, pulley, tune and catback. Very balanced car. Neither is perfect but that's the joy of this day and age. All can be personalized if you take matters into your own hands. __________________ Silver 03 cobra coupe -Full mm/ftbr chassis, built irs/t56, 3.73s, trutrac -Braces, 6pt, flsc's, brembos, rotary forged sochi's -9.3/1 Livernois 5.3 modular, Diamond, Carrillo etc -FGT heads stage 3 PnP'd, MMR stage 3 turbo grinds -FR500c, custom split maf dual inlet, single blade etc -Comp 62/65 T4's 3xbb, oil/water cooled, blankets etc -CG Fab. ff headers, custom 3" hotside, Tial wastegates -Dual in/out 3" cold side, Tial bov's, Truboost, SCT, NGk -Custom 8qt oil, dual 405s return fuel with id2000's, etc

06-25-2012, 06:19 PM	#3104
tt335ci03cobra Drives: 03 cobra 5.3 4v fgt's+62's Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: USA Posts: 146	Also I'll take a car I can parnelli jones manhandle any day over a computer. I have Forza for neat/tidy stuff. I'm not going to spend $60k on a computer dude. I've spent about that much on my 03 because it's anti tech; it's old school and brash. That's what I like. Stop trying to force it down everyone's throat that computer tech wizardry stability controls are the bees knees and the gt500/mustangs are just drift rat shit boxes. It's annoying and way off. __________________ Silver 03 cobra coupe -Full mm/ftbr chassis, built irs/t56, 3.73s, trutrac -Braces, 6pt, flsc's, brembos, rotary forged sochi's -9.3/1 Livernois 5.3 modular, Diamond, Carrillo etc -FGT heads stage 3 PnP'd, MMR stage 3 turbo grinds -FR500c, custom split maf dual inlet, single blade etc -Comp 62/65 T4's 3xbb, oil/water cooled, blankets etc -CG Fab. ff headers, custom 3" hotside, Tial wastegates -Dual in/out 3" cold side, Tial bov's, Truboost, SCT, NGk -Custom 8qt oil, dual 405s return fuel with id2000's, etc

06-25-2012, 05:52 PM	#3099
C5RocksC5 Banned Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 697	Drifting loses time but yet it was still faster. It's amazing what Ford has done to the Mustang's dinosaur-age rear suspension.

06-25-2012, 06:45 PM	#3105
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	For the Ford fans, out of curiosity: 1) Where would the Roush Stage 3 Mustang be, performance-wise? Handling/.25-mile 2) Where would Billy Johnson rank as a Mustang road racer? Jack Roush Jr.?

06-25-2012, 06:52 PM	#3106
C5RocksC5 Banned Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 697	time for the 2nd round of "self evaluation." LOWDOWN, you crack me up.

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