[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Number 3

They want as the Camaro is no easier to steal than any other cars, GM and nonGM.

Not saying it can’t happen but how is a car that is fundamentally the same as 2016, now uninsurable? That’s a tough one to explain.

Okay, say you are an insurance company executive, and the probability of theft with a particular car/trim/model year shoots up by a thousand percent, would you just shrug it off? "Uninsurable" may be an exaggeration, but you certainly would jack up premiums very significantly, wouldn't you?

From this perspective, who cares whether or not the car is essentially the same as the 2016 model year?

[Evergreen6]

"Citywide, the numbers are even more staggering: 90 Camaro thefts so far this year after only seven all of last year, a 1,285% increase."

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/dra...ces-lapd-says/

[L2SS455]

The security update can be done, see below. Call Chevy GM Customer Service like I and others have done 1-800 222-1020. The OBD access with the device brought from Amazon as low as $415 is now on Tiktok. A cloned Key can be make in less than 5 minutes with it.

Range Rover thefts fall after security enhanced with £10m investment
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/ran...10m-investment

JLR responds to soaring insurance costs for Range Rover vehicles
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/jlr...e-rover-thefts

[90503]

FWIW, I still park my 2011 5th Gen in the garage. I usually keep one vehicle outside in front of the house. That was usually my 2000 GMC pick up truck. Not any more. It has been broken into at least three times and nearly stolen a time or two. As bad as all these newer vehicles may be easy to steal, it's the older vehicles that still top the list. In fact, 20 year oldish Chevys and F150 pickups I believe have been stolen the most for several years. The old girl gets parked up the driveway and behind a gate now. When needed the 2017 Impala goes overnight in front of the house. (Never broken into, either).

I would suggest trying to mix up your parking patterns if possible. My guess is a targeted vehicle gets scoped out beforehand, and being creatures of habit we may unknowingly may make the thieves more relaxed and sure of their target..., or not.

No matter how nice you may think your neighborhood is, if you leave a vehicle on the street, or easily accessible in your driveway, it more than likely will get the door handle jiggled, or broken into if they can see anything valuable inside....and more than likely this occurs (according to local pd) every single night.

Just my $.02. Good luck.

[sklippi2018]

First time hearing about a "personal" boot so worse comes to worse it's a deterrant.

https://www.amazon.com/Tevlaphee-Uni...1zcF9hdGY&th=1

[LancevanceZLE]

Originally Posted by 90503

FWIW, I still park my 2011 5th Gen in the garage. I usually keep one vehicle outside in front of the house. That was usually my 2000 GMC pick up truck. Not any more. It has been broken into at least three times and nearly stolen a time or two. As bad as all these newer vehicles may be easy to steal, it's the older vehicles that still top the list. In fact, 20 year oldish Chevys and F150 pickups I believe have been stolen the most for several years. The old girl gets parked up the driveway and behind a gate now. When needed the 2017 Impala goes overnight in front of the house. (Never broken into, either).

I would suggest trying to mix up your parking patterns if possible. My guess is a targeted vehicle gets scoped out beforehand, and being creatures of habit we may unknowingly may make the thieves more relaxed and sure of their target..., or not.

No matter how nice you may think your neighborhood is, if you leave a vehicle on the street, or easily accessible in your driveway, it more than likely will get the door handle jiggled, or broken into if they can see anything valuable inside....and more than likely this occurs (according to local pd) every single night.

Just my $.02. Good luck.

Cars have been stolen at the mall, grocery store, etc. When theft takes less than 5 minutes you basically can't park anywhere except for your own garage. It's best to get a killswitch and OBD lock

[LancevanceZLE]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Okay, say you are an insurance company executive, and the probability of theft with a particular car/trim/model year shoots up by a thousand percent, would you just shrug it off? "Uninsurable" may be an exaggeration, but you certainly would jack up premiums very significantly, wouldn't you?

From this perspective, who cares whether or not the car is essentially the same as the 2016 model year?

Exactly, first the premiums will rise. Next step is just dropping comprehensive coverage, offering liability only. Insurance companies are in business to make money.

This will spread everywhere. All it takes to steal a GM car is ordering a $400 device from Amazon with no skill or knowledge required.

[JSH]

The cops in yesterday's NBC News piece said that many of the stolen and recovered Camaros are being used in street racing.

My insurance is so high I've already considered increasing deductibles and reducing coverages.

[BMLMZ]

Looks like the homeys ran out of hellcats to steal. On to the next.

[L2SS455]

Call Chevy GM Customer Service like I and others have done 1-800 222-1020. Request an security Update like JLR did for it's customers.

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by Number 3

They want as the Camaro is no easier to steal than any other cars, GM and nonGM.

Not saying it can’t happen but how is a car that is fundamentally the same as 2016, now uninsurable? That’s a tough one to explain.

What is even tougher to explain, industry wide, is the total gack on this during design failure analysis. "Item 784 - Does proposed change increase ease of theft?, If yes, what is going to be done about it?"

Inexplicable.

[N Camarolina]

I agree. Dealerships could use the VIN + other proof of ownership to request key encoding from GM without need to get that from the OBD, and would be a perfectly reasonable solution to a lost key fob. Obviously will take some time, but hey somebody lost the "keys to the car."

Why the need to need for the OEM design parameters to allow a key fob encoding to be read and (copy) written in 5 minutes using OBD access, if that option means significant risk of theft?

[MagnumMaro]

the more high tech it is, the easier it is to steal it seems. GM needs to do better.

[olrocker]

To be honest, I’m not sure the punks who steal modern cars with an OBD reader would even know how to steal an old school ignition switched pre-OBD car. You have to use real tools. No kid I’ve met under 30 today even knows how to use a screwdriver.