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I drove a 2015 SRT and a 2016 1SS, both manual (so not the same comparison but similar enough), and I was impressed with the acceleration and handling of the SRT for it's weight. Sure the SS would out handle it but for it's size it didn't feel bad at all. Now this was a SRT and not the Scat Pack so it had the magnetic ride control which I believe gives it extra firmness in sport mode. The challenger liked to chirp the tires more but that can be attributed to the smaller tires, the camaro felt just as fast, if not faster, but didn't break the tires loose as often. I think it comes down to personal preference and your intended use, obviously a Challenger has more room and the smaller/ lighter Camaro handles better. I liked both interiors equally, preferred the camaro seats (just fit me better) and the challenger gauge cluster.
Outside appearance is again going to be personal taste, i think the Challenger looks great from the front and back but the huge flat plank sides with no body lines doesn't appeal to me, I personally would need to add some of the RT type side stripes if I owned one just to break it up. The camaro is new and edgier but doesn't appeal to everyone and isn't retro at all like the Challenger. I (personally) think the biggest advantage the SS has over the Scat/SRT is the engine. While the performance is there from both, the dodge 392 is an iron block (part of what makes the challenger heavier) that doesn't handle power adders well, if you are looking to add any major power adders you are either on borrowed time or expect to replace the entire rotating assembly with forged pieces (Feel free to research the charger challenger forums on this but I think the general consensus is if you'r adding a supercharger to a 392 you want all forged rotating assembly). While the SS's LT1 appears to handle 650 hp on a stock engine without problem and then a piston swap and we are seeing guys going over 850hp. If I get a new SS I plan on keeping it for a LONG time and will likely be considering a supercharger at some point, so i figure I should factor that into my wants list in a car.
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Also, the SRT Challenger has 275 tires, just like the Camaro, although they are not as good as the factory Camaro tires. The Scat Pack has the 245 tires. Overall, I think the OP's assessment of both cars is pretty fair to both. |
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Also, you need to put the SS in competition mode to get the best throttle response (stock) The Challenger is way too porky - would not even consider it - the Camaro is a true sports car, even if it's bigger than what I'm used to |
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08-16-2016, 12:57 PM | #20 | |
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Not sure I agree that the "biggest advantage" the SS has over the Scat is the engine. The 6.4 392 makes more power and torque than the LT1 and there's many 392 cars out there running 8psi and running strong. All depends on tuner. If it were me, no I wouldn't boost a 392 to 8 lbs, only 6 max with the stock pistons. It already has the forged crank and strong enough rods. Drop ins cost less than a grand so the power figures would be about the same as the Camaro. Biggest advantage I see that Camaro has over the Scat is weight being #1 hands down, not the engine. Both are great engines but to say it's the biggest advantage is a little out there.
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08-16-2016, 01:38 PM | #21 |
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The SS has very aggressive torque/traction management unless you enable Track Mode and put Stabilitrak into Competitive Mode. The car goes from Dr Jekyll to Mr Hyde when you lighten the computers heavy hand.
Characteristics that can change on the SS when you play with it: - Steering firmness (that option you didn't sound sure about in the Shaker package) - Throttle response - Automatic shift speed - Shift firmness - NPP exhaust behavior - Magnetic ride control dampening - Torque management - Traction management Then you also have Launch Control and Performance Shift Activation. You really need to attend a class to learn everything these Camaros before you take it for a test drive. |
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Just adding on to the Challenger part of this thread.
This is the link to the newly revealed 2017 Dodge Challenger T/A that comes in 3 variants to include the SRT 392. Dodge has released these packages for the Charger as well. Will come in at $45K. The 392 SRT T/A will be basically be the new Scatpack with a Hellcat twist. More videos of both cars and reveals by Dodge on YouTube. V/r Klutch |
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08-16-2016, 02:01 PM | #23 | |
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Possibly true about the class being needed but it is not happening for any potential buyer in the real world (and I'm sure you were jesting) nor would you be able to take advantage of 99% of those tweaks ON a test drive. And, one could argue a class is needed for the Challenger Scat Pack and SRT - they offer a lot that can be improved with the on-board software. Good points though. What I was looking for on my test drives was what they offer for the day to day part of ownership and not the 10/10ths abilities of either car. The Scat Pack has Performance Pages that allow a lot of personalization based on desired use (suspension settings, launch control, etc) but not quite as much as the Camaro. I was really looking at the stuff that a non-enthusiast would find more important than those of us that know all about what the car is capable of on a track or strip. I had a '14 C7, a '15 ZL1, and now own a '15 C7 so I am very familiar with all those changes that occur when you dig into the modes. And they offer an array of improvements that offer stunning performance improvements when applied correctly. There is absolutely no debate that the SS is a better Track car than the Challenger. Just the weight difference alone is a huge advantage. However, the Scat Pack (and its siblings the SRT-392 and Hellcat) were not by design meant for Laguna Seca or built with the twisties on a country back road in mind. Yes, they can be enjoyed on a track and many do successfully. But the Camaro and ZL1 (as well as the Mustangs and Corvettes, etc) are much better suited for the road course than the Dodges. That in no way takes anything away from the Challengers. It's just the truth about the laws of physics.
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1) I said the large plank side body lines of the Challenger Doesn't appeal to me the side panels are much larger on these 2016 cars then the "Classis" 70's era models and I Personally don't like that particular look. I'm giving opinion, doesn't mean anyone has to agree with me. I still think it's a beautiful car, but that is the one appearance feature I felt didn't appeal to me. 2) again I said "I (personally) think the biggest advantage the SS has over the Scat/SRT is the engine" I do feel the weight difference is the biggest performance advantage but in deciding between the 2 the extra size was an advantage to me and the extra weight offset that advantage, I basically considered it a wash. But I have been on the Charger/Challenger forums and I don't see near the number of successful supercharger installs I would expect on the 392 which started in production in what? 2011? so we have 6 years of 392's out there vs. 3/4 of a year of LT1's? In the research I have done I believe the LT1 is holding up to the big performance mods better than the 392. as you said you can safely boost the 392 to 6psi but the performance gains are sub-par, we are seeing the LT1 taking 8+ PSI stock and pushing higher numbers without problems. Again this is my opinion and I may be proven wrong over time. I'm not trying to pick fights or call anyone out over an inaccurate detail, this was a thread about opinions between the 2 cars and as I had driven both I was just giving my 2 cents.
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I went from the ATS to the SS , best handling car with a lt1 ...win win
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Putting around the average city on a dealer test drive, I completely agree. Most people would be lucky to notice any difference with a Honda Accord, much less these two cars. It really is cruiser vs true sports car, two completely different animals. Hell when I got back into my 328i after test driving the 6th gen on a small country stretch the painful truth became apparent. Everything said about the driving dynamics, numbness, and almost pedestrian handling with the current 3 series became crystal clear. And it had their sport suspension and gripy tires as well.
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