[ALMN]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

2015 Mustang GT Premium MSRP - $38,415

Accounting for inflation that's $50,466 in Aug '23 dollars.

So. . . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2015 Camaro ss $35,795
2023 Camaro ss $39,300
2015 C7 Base Vette $53,995
2023 C8 Base Vette $61,900

So why GM is not following the inflation curve? Why Ford people want to get in more debt and don’t care about price per performance value? Did the income level increase that much to not consider any of this or brand loyalty makes people blind? So many questions

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by ALMN

2015 Camaro ss $35,795
2023 Camaro ss $39,300
2015 C7 Base Vette $53,995
2023 C8 Base Vette $61,900

So why GM is not following the inflation curve? Why Ford people want to get in more debt and don’t care about price per performance value? Did the income level increase that much to not consider any of this or brand loyalty makes people blind? So many questions

2015 Camaro 1SS/2SS MSRP: $33,505/$37,305
Adjusting for inflation: $43,401.55/$48,323.98

2024 Camaro 1SS/2SS MSRP: $42,300/$47,300

I guess I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

(Again, for reference)
2015 Mustang GT Base/Premium MSRP: $32,300/$38,415
Accounting for inflation: $41,840.63/$49,761.85

2024 Mustang GT Base/Premium MSRP: $41,495/$46,015


As for Corvette:
2015 C7 Base Vette $53,995
Inflation in Aug 2023: $69,943.80
2024 C8 Base Vette $66,300


So. . . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by ALMN

I understand, however most s650s are showing lower dyno numbers than the expectations. Something doesn’t seem right. Even in the mustang7g forum, people are complaining about the cars being slow. Here is a manual dark horse, from trusted Palm Beach Dyno. Lots of disappointed seventh gen mustang owners out there. Especially the ones moving from s550 and who paid more than $70k! It seems you really need to order 3:55 auto a10 to get the speed feel out these mustangs. I am glad we don’t have to deal with this in our camaros.
https://youtu.be/8Pz52FumSfk

I agree, I hate how ford has different gear ratio options. It literally costs zero extra dollars to make 3.55s/3.73’s standard.

Now I’m someone who would choose the performance package so it’s not a huge deal to me but what REALLY bothers me is the performance package costs 5k (2k less than the 1le) but I then have to pay for recaros (1,650), active exhaust (1,225) and magnetic ride control (1,750). When you add those 3 up it passes the 7k extra I paid for my 1le. The other frustrating thing Ford does is make you pay $2,900) for the 301a package. Imo once you choose GT premium it should just come with everything like my 2ss did.

Also no pdr or e diff still and the recaros for some reason are not heated and cooled.

[Kamero6]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

2015 Mustang GT Premium MSRP - $38,415

Accounting for inflation that's $50,466 in Aug '23 dollars.

So. . . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Agreed. Altough the effect of high or even mild inflation is that people percieve that everything is expensive and they are all the time being ripped off.
This is amplified by the dealership experience.

[Kamero6]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I agree, I hate how ford has different gear ratio options. It literally costs zero extra dollars to make 3.55s/3.73’s standard.

Now I’m someone who would choose the performance package so it’s not a huge deal to me but what REALLY bothers me is the performance package costs 5k (2k less than the 1le) but I then have to pay for recaros (1,650), active exhaust (1,225) and magnetic ride control (1,750). When you add those 3 up it passes the 7k extra I paid for my 1le. The other frustrating thing Ford does is make you pay $2,900) for the 301a package. Imo once you choose GT premium it should just come with everything like my 2ss did.

Also no pdr or e diff still and the recaros for some reason are not heated and cooled.

On behalf of Ford, every time I stopped by they had a mustang to sell. They actually build them

[ALMN]

Throttle House comparison video for the S650 PP GT Auto vs Camaro ss 1le Auto is out.

https://youtu.be/hCiC1UrQHDA

[BluinSC]

Gotta laugh at Ford being unable to hang with an 8year old car after all this time.

Going to be interesting watching the lightning laps from C&D and Motor Trend soon.

[FarmerFran]

It is funny and wants to make me cry at the same time.

I have owned multiple Mustangs and Multiple GM of the same (Vette, GTO, 2 Camaro) and a Challenger

But as everyone above and abroad has said and the only real thing that matters is (to me anyway)

FORD MUSTANG 2024 to 2030 with a Refresh at 2027 will have...

Front Motor
Rear Drive
MANUAL TRANSMISSION

slower or not you can get one over the next 7 years! The other 2 bowed out and it is a damn shame

[ALMN]

Originally Posted by BluinSC

Gotta laugh at Ford being unable to hang with an 8year old car after all this time.

Going to be interesting watching the lightning laps from C&D and Motor Trend soon.

C&D should do a camaro ss 1le automatic transmission lightning lap as a send off. Apparently the track was resurfaced at some point so we might see better times!

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

It is funny and wants to make me cry at the same time.

I have owned multiple Mustangs and Multiple GM of the same (Vette, GTO, 2 Camaro) and a Challenger

But as everyone above and abroad has said and the only real thing that matters is (to me anyway)

FORD MUSTANG 2024 to 2030 with a Refresh at 2027 will have...

Front Motor
Rear Drive
MANUAL TRANSMISSION

slower or not you can get one over the next 7 years! The other 2 bowed out and it is a damn shame

Agreed 100%

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by ALMN

Caranddriver test is out for the manual 2024 Dark Horse. Even with more rubber and power the results are still little shy of the 2019 Camaro SS 1LE manual they tested back in the day. The car also costs $73K

I think .3 for rollout is high, .2 the most imo for the 1 foot rollout.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by ALMN

C&D should do a camaro ss 1le automatic transmission lightning lap as a send off. Apparently the track was resurfaced at some point so we might see better times!

I think they should redo the A10 ZL1. They went off track and bent a rim in the 2017 test and had to re run when it was hot out, in worse conditions. While it went 2:50 in bad conditions, in the write up the author said it might have had a 2:47 in it in the typical morning conditions the other cars were run in. That’s ripe for a re-run!

[TheEnthusiast]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

While the quarter mile specs are very similar, I have no doubt in my mind the dark horse will be faster around a track and from a roll. It has a decent amount of extra power, like you said extra rubber (front tire size starts with a 3!) and it costs more. Not to mention the Mach 1 was slightly quicker than the 1le.

An area where Ford has always excelled but Chevy has been behind in is giving their handling specialty pony/sports cars a little extra power. Ford gave the boss 302, gt350 and Mach 1 15-100 extra hp. Chevy only gave the z28 extra power while the 1le and grand sport never got any extra power.

A 6th gen ss 1le with an ls7 would have been the best drivers car ever made.

Pretty sure the Manual LT1's are underrated when they claim crank hp. The Manual LT1's consistently dyno from 420whp to 440whp. That's about 480 or more crank. At least that's what RPM seems to get out of them on their baseline pulls.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by TheEnthusiast

Pretty sure the Manual LT1's are underrated when they claim crank hp. The Manual LT1's consistently dyno from 420whp to 440whp. That's about 480 or more crank. At least that's what RPM seems to get out of them on their baseline pulls.

I have seen many stock dyno pulls on manual and auto trans LT1 camaro's and have never seen a bone stock fully warmed up LT1 dyno anywhere near 420 rwhp. 390 to 405 is a very realistic range for a proper no BS dyno pull.