[Bumbleboy92]

Originally Posted by CalgaryZL1

Ford will always out sell Chevy for this very reason

Dw, while the Camaro rests the Mustang continues even in its newest iteration

https://youtube.com/shorts/hAwmu9TFn...N67ii98D4mdUBo

[ZPirate]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Yep, and I literally did.

I know you did.

[tarmelter]

Surprised the DH weighs so much. The specs are kind of underwhelming especially for the cost. I will say I love the tire combo. Always been a fan of wide tires. One of the reasons I bought the SS 1LE TBH plus I really want a C7 Z06 still to this day. That car just looks so damn good. Maybe in 2 years when this shitty economy starts to swing the other way.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Bumbleboy92

Dw, while the Camaro rests the Mustang continues even in its newest iteration

https://youtube.com/shorts/hAwmu9TFn...N67ii98D4mdUBo

Originally Posted by tarmelter

Surprised the DH weighs so much. The specs are kind of underwhelming especially for the cost. I will say I love the tire combo. Always been a fan of wide tires. One of the reasons I bought the SS 1LE TBH plus I really want a C7 Z06 still to this day. That car just looks so damn good. Maybe in 2 years when this shitty economy starts to swing the other way.

Hahaha, it's so heavy it displaced the ramps on the dealer's trailer

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by tarmelter

Surprised the DH weighs so much. The specs are kind of underwhelming especially for the cost. I will say I love the tire combo. Always been a fan of wide tires. One of the reasons I bought the SS 1LE TBH plus I really want a C7 Z06 still to this day. That car just looks so damn good. Maybe in 2 years when this shitty economy starts to swing the other way.

I’m not at all surprised. Even though Ford touts it as being “all new”, it is the same platform as the S197 and S550 with modifications. The modifications add mass.

It was originally supposed to have an all new platform, but…money. Reducing weight is near impossible without significantly changing the platform like GM did going from Zeta (5th Gen) to Alpha (6th Gen), dropping hundreds of pounds in the process. Instead, Ford had to address some of the handling issues of S550 without the benefit of a new platform. That means adding content and that means adding weight. Haven’t driven a DarkHorse yet, but from reports I’ve read and viewed, it sounds like performance has improved, so the added weight is at least with purpose.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I’m not at all surprised. Even though Ford touts it as being “all new”, it is the same platform as the S197 and S550 with modifications. The modifications add mass.

It was originally supposed to have an all new platform, but…money. Reducing weight is near impossible without significantly changing the platform like GM did going from Zeta (5th Gen) to Alpha (6th Gen), dropping hundreds of pounds in the process. Instead, Ford had to address some of the handling issues of S550 without the benefit of a new platform. That means adding content and that means adding weight. Haven’t driven a DarkHorse yet, but from reports I’ve read and viewed, it sounds like performance has improved, so the added weight is at least with purpose.

Agreed. A lot of S550 owners were adding aftermarket bracing so sounds like the DH just added those braces right from Ford. We were lucky to get the Alpha platform… big improvement over Zeta!

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Agreed. A lot of S550 owners were adding aftermarket bracing so sounds like the DH just added those braces right from Ford. We were lucky to get the Alpha platform… big improvement over Zeta!

Yeah, thanks BMW!

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

Yeah, thanks BMW!

Somebody gets it!

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

All the BS aside, the DH costs as much as a ZL1 and yet they will compare it to the SS, which will still own it.

unoptioned DH vs unoptioned ZL1
$61,510 = $75,395

$65,505 = $75,395

Or even

Handling pack+Recaro DH vs unoptioned ZL1
$68,155 = $75,395

$72,150 = $75,395

And I do agree, DH is insanely overpriced, especially that HP+Recaro DH premium. But to say they are the same is a bit much in the hyperbole department.

[Gen6cyl]

It's like Ford is not even concerned about the price of a ss 1le or zl1. They know it's their market, given to them.

[ALMN]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

unoptioned DH vs unoptioned ZL1
$61,510 = $75,395

$65,505 = $75,395

Or even

Handling pack+Recaro DH vs unoptioned ZL1
$68,155 = $75,395

$72,150 = $75,395

And I do agree, DH is insanely overpriced, especially that HP+Recaro DH premium. But to say they are the same is a bit much in the hyperbole department.

ZL1 has no options like an ss. It comes standard with all the goodies in a loaded camaro with handling package. 1Le version is an extreme track option to add on. So the ZL1 equivalent of the Dark Horse is pretty much close to a loaded version. Even the price is not exactly the same, if it is within that region, to me i can consider them similarly priced. Also if a car is being sold as a track version, it should come standard with the handling package, recaro seats and such. These shouldn’t be an add on. Maybe add a tech package as an option.

[BluinSC]

And while there will be some Dark Horses available at MSRP most will have significant markups. Especially if this strike goes through

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

unoptioned DH vs unoptioned ZL1
$61,510 = $75,395

$65,505 = $75,395

Or even

Handling pack+Recaro DH vs unoptioned ZL1
$68,155 = $75,395

$72,150 = $75,395

And I do agree, DH is insanely overpriced, especially that HP+Recaro DH premium. But to say they are the same is a bit much in the hyperbole department.

I think the reason people say it’s “the same” is because you need to add the recaros and handling package for it to be optioned equally and to tie/beat an SS 1le and based on your post once you add those you are within 3k of a zl1 which would beat both of them.

[SSEssence]

Good looking Camaro I mean Mustang, but for the price it is not worth the squeeze by any means.