[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by DanSS24

Wasn't it said before, by a magazine, that the 6th Gen Camaro is more EVOLUTION, than Revolution? That means it's gonna stay close to the 5th Gen appearance than a totally new design.

Yes, but you have to take that with a grain of salt. Even the magazines dont' really know. Its all speculation.

No way a GM rep discussed weights of the prototype at a GM gathering. Just blowing smoke....he said she said kind of stuff.

[toehead93]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

ATS is also sold at a higher price point so it's easier to justify the engineering dollars to make it light weight.

Camaro...not so much.

The old CTS ranged from $38k-$50k, the new ATS ranges from $38-$58k so i fail to see your point. GM uses multiple cars on the same chasis to deal with exactly what you say. The engineering cost for a camaro alne is too much but combined with the ATS it isnt. In fact it would cost more to remove the light weight components from the ATS and reengineer then with heavier components for the Camaro. Obviosly some suspension items for each car will be custom for that vehicle but it wont add 200lbs to car. The engine and trans will be the biggest weight gainers, minor suspension gains will be offset by lighter wheels and less doors.

[toehead93]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

whatever we've heard isn't true....

so it's not going to be RWD Alpha platformed ?!

i have a hard time believing it will be 3,450 with the V8 though. That would make it lighter than the Cadillac ATS with a smaller engine, and shorter length.

I tend to agree with this. Although the Camaro has less doors and likely lighter wheels to help offset. The C5 is about 200lbs lighter than the V6 CTS, so why should it be so surprising for the C6 to match the weight of the V6 ATS?

[MikeT]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

whatever we've heard isn't true....

so it's not going to be RWD Alpha platformed ?!

i have a hard time believing it will be 3,450 with the V8 though. That would make it lighter than the Cadillac ATS with a smaller engine, and shorter length.

Re: shorter length. Obviously, the current Camaro is ~8 inches longer than the ATS. Technically, though, we don't know the length of the new Camaro. Heck, for all we know, it could be SHORTER than an ATS. Sure, that's unlikely, but we just don't know.

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Yes, but you have to take that with a grain of salt. Even the magazines dont' really know. Its all speculation.

No way a GM rep discussed weights of the prototype at a GM gathering. Just blowing smoke....he said she said kind of stuff.

I agree. When they came out with the Camaro concept, I was like, "Really!?!?, no way it's gonna happen." But I waited and waited. When it finally came to fruition, I was happy like a kid in a candy store. So, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I just want to be wowed again, and again, and again. LOL!!!

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by Indydriver

"Whatever you've heard or read isn't true".

He's suppose to say that. I'm pretty sure some members already know future plans...

Of course everything is unconfirmed until GM confirms it.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by toehead93

The old CTS ranged from $38k-$50k, the new ATS ranges from $38-$58k so i fail to see your point. GM uses multiple cars on the same chasis to deal with exactly what you say. The engineering cost for a camaro alne is too much but combined with the ATS it isnt. In fact it would cost more to remove the light weight components from the ATS and reengineer then with heavier components for the Camaro. Obviosly some suspension items for each car will be custom for that vehicle but it wont add 200lbs to car. The engine and trans will be the biggest weight gainers, minor suspension gains will be offset by lighter wheels and less doors.

If ATS started at $38k it would've been laughed out of the market in its first month.

6th gen SS coming in at 3400 lbs would pretty much be a miracle.

[daveagogo1]

Let me go on record as saying this. I did not attend myself but several buddies did. GM once again had a decent presence at the show as they always do. They brought out a C7, Z/28 and a spring edition car. During the course of the show the above was stated to quite a few people during one of the many talks. Is any of it true? Who knows but, as i said earlier i doubt anyone would just blurt out random jibberish at a major Fbody gathering. Guess we will have to see. I hope it is even mostly true lol.

[HDRDTD]

Originally Posted by daveagogo1

Let me go on record as saying this. I did not attend myself but several buddies did. GM once again had a decent presence at the show as they always do. They brought out a C7, Z/28 and a spring edition car. During the course of the show the above was stated to quite a few people during one of the many talks. Is any of it true? Who knows but, as i said earlier i doubt anyone would just blurt out random jibberish at a major Fbody gathering. Guess we will have to see. I hope it is even mostly true lol.

We have a local Fbody meet and Greet tomorrow just down the road from GM's Milford proving grounds. It's already been confirmed that GM will have several cars there including Z/28's, SS's and others in addition to many GM engineers and probably a few test drivers, including Al O.

I'll keep my ears open, but several members of the club I belong to (Detroit5thGen) work at various GM departments including the Warren Tech Center and some of them see Al every day, and none of them would ever leak any kind of information no matter if it's been reported in the news somewhere or not. They value their jobs much too much.

But I will see if I hear anything.

Note: Al O has confirmed he'll be coming with other members of the Camaro team and I know they are bringing their Z/28 captured test fleets. In the past, they've let show participants sit in their CTF cars so we might have the same luck this year as well if you really want to get in a Z/28 and check it out.

Scott just confirmed that we'll have a Z/28, Chevy SS sedan, and a Corvette Stingray on display on Saturday.

Al is planning on being there, Aaron Link is planning on being there, if you're in the area this is not a show to miss!

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The C7 curb weight is 3,298 lbs. I would be shocked if the 6th gen SS weighs less than 200 lbs more than the base C7. If it did, that would be amazing.

Or just a really small sixth gen. With the fifth gen the designers really stuck it to the engineers with what they could pull off performance wise and look what they accomplished. Weight isn't usually announced before we ever even see a mule so I'm very skeptical of that comment. I hope it's true though.

[Ryanbabz71]

Look what they did with the gm trucks gmt900 - k2's slight body change but overall very similar.


Ryan

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by daveagogo1

It was stated by GM reps at the Fbody gathering last weekend that the prototypes are done. Was also stated that it came in at 3450lbs with the LT1 with very familiar gen 5 looks on a smaller platform.

No way to know if that is true or smoke but, i doubt anyone from GM would have said that at the longest running Fbody show in America if it wasn't.

I am inclined to believe it as the car will be at the Detroit auto show in Jan. That car has to be ready to show off in just over 6 months so clearly there are prototypes behind the curtain.

Originally Posted by daveagogo1

Let me go on record as saying this. I did not attend myself but several buddies did. GM once again had a decent presence at the show as they always do. They brought out a C7, Z/28 and a spring edition car. During the course of the show the above was stated to quite a few people during one of the many talks. Is any of it true? Who knows but, as i said earlier i doubt anyone would just blurt out random jibberish at a major Fbody gathering. Guess we will have to see. I hope it is even mostly true lol.

An Alpha-based 2-dr Camaro, in "LT" trim (non-V8) could easily come in under 3500 lb. With the necessary HD suspension, brakes and driveline, combined with larger wheels and tires, that an LT1-engined version would require, I can see a savings of about 300 lb. over the current 3920 base SS. More savings if they go to forged rims on all V8s, and stay away from heavier 20" rims/tires.

[daveagogo1]

The real question would be what was on the car to get that weight? What trim? Did it have fully functional electronics or the real interior? Can it be done? Have any carbon components made it over from what they learned for the C7, we all know things like interior and wheels can easily change say from now until production. Anything is possible i guess.

[Evergreen6]

There was a lot of worry about the 5th gen that GM was really going to cock it up from a design and performance perspective. This is back when the modern 5th gen community didn't really know the guys behind the scenes at GM.

I trust these guys.

There's always speculation, there's always skepticism. Not everyone will be pleased.