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It's about ways to achieve a satisfactory amount of power and torque for the entry-level end of the Camaro line. Traditionally, this has been done with NA sixxes, but that's not the only way those power and torque targets can reasonably be achieved. On other engine configurations and boost. We already have a boosted V8, and there is no V10, V12, or whatever above that for the LSA to be competing against. Nothing more to discuss here. Given the resistance to turbo-4's solely on the basis of cylinder count, this thread probably shouldn't get hijacked down any forced induction V6 detour . . . the resulting uproar once people figured out what would then be at stake would make the opposition to fours of any description sound like crickets chirping in the night. Norm |
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02-13-2013, 07:38 AM | #198 |
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It's only fair to point out that there are a lot of people in China, and GM saw this as an opportunity to get into a market before a culture of buying cars became mainstream. As a result, GM has expanded into an untapped business market. It has nothing to do with Camaros. It has to do with expanding the sales end of a big business.
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It would be incredibly stupid for GM and Ford to ignore the fastest growing economies and populations on the planet, especially considering they are publicly traded companies with a responsibility to shareholders to pursue expansion opportunities.
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02-13-2013, 08:41 AM | #201 | |
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I really don't want to see all of the essence of the "musclecar" end of the ponycar lineups bred out of them. They're too refined as it is. The entry level is already "compromised" by definition. Norm |
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As long as their is sufficient demand for the V8 I don't see it going away. Displacement may go down though. I do think we may see both a FI V6 and a V8 in the lineup at some point. If the FI V6 proves to be popular to the performance-oriented buyers, then it may put the V8 in jeapordy, but more from a price point than existence standpoint. I can't see even that happening anytime soon. The LT1 will be around for a while, and GM didn't take the time and money to develop that with plans for it to be obsolete in a few years.
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People buy Big Gulps and Happy Meals by the millions, but that didn't stop places in the US from banning them. Courts have ruled cities can ban foods, plastic bags, and sugar drinks. They've also said that the EPA can regulate Greenhouse Gasses. If the EPA decides that certain engines must be banned, they are gone.
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If I told people 20 years ago cities in America would ban smoking on private property, Big Gulps, and Happy Meals I'd have been labelled a crackpot. Certain people just like telling other people how to live their lives. What they will go after next, no one can say. But they openly admit they dont like gas-guzzling internal combustion engines....
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Hey man, how's Gretchen? That's one baaad V6!
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I wasn't saying cities could ban certain engines, I said the EPA could. The EPA is part of the Federal Government. FYI, when something is banned on the Federal level, you cant just move to another city/State so you can buy it again.
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Some of the things you mention, even though on the surface may sound benign, speak to the reasons an I-4 should not be in the Camaro line-up... This I-4 will, as you state, changes the image of the Mustang-Challenger rivalry...The very reason the Gen5 was built , and the image it was marketed as, will morph into a rivalry with low-cost, low-powered imports with a Gen6 I-4...Enticing the "ricer-crowd" to purchase I-4 Camaros will no doubt happen, and believe me they will get "riced-out", is the exact opposite of why many of us purchased a Camaro in the first place...The Camaro should never be a model for "ricing-out"...and when they inevitalbly are, v-8 and v-6 owners will be shaking their heads and thinking wtf...This is the "same" car I have? They cannot and should not be both..."ricer" and "muscle"....The image of the car will be an embarrassment and deal-breaker for many, if not all, loyal Camaro customers....Those who want a car with the image of the Mustang-Challenger rivalry will not be able to ignore it's new "ricer" image when considering the Gen6... |
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Doing well. Have a few tuning issues to work out for the launch and I may have a good shot at a 10s run.
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