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12-13-2017, 09:09 AM | #338 | |
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Or it will split the difference between them, be better than the ZL1 in 1/4 and twisty for a slightly higher price, but not as good as the Z1LE but at a lower price point, but at this point nobody knows. |
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12-13-2017, 09:40 AM | #339 | |
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Ford has done some unexpected things in the past, so I admit my logic of basing the future on whats being/been done in this Gen has its flaws. Either way, I think EVERYONE is excited to see what Ford does with the 500 this Gen. It is going to be badass regardless what it costs!!
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12-13-2017, 09:49 AM | #340 | |
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Again I go to the 350R and Z/28, Ford set the MSRP of the 350R 12k less than the Z/28, it bested it in head to head comparison on same day same track. Had a engine completely unique to it, carbon fiber wheels, and Ford's first use of Magneride suspension. Some pretty high dollar stuff, and they still undercut the car they built it to go against by 12K. Now why in the next battle do we think they can't offer similar/better performance for the same/similar dollar amount? Why all of sudden is it there is no way they can do it and the car will have to start in the 70s? If they go my second route then we will see and all bets are off. |
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The GT350R was designed ground up on a more sophisticated chassis. I just do not see a reason this argument is so important to the Mustang guys. I know for some weird reason Ford decided to chase an extinct car with the R, but that doesn't make it legit in any world but Ford World. We're talking Gen 6 here, so what GM did on Gen 5 and how much it cost Ford to chase an extinct Gen 5 car isnt relevant in discussions on what it will cost Ford to chase an in production car like the 6th gen ZL1 or the ZL1 1LE. So that is why I dont see them doing it for less than $70K. This time they are deciding(yet to see) to be competitive in the existing Generation and that is, for obvious reasons, more difficult than trying to compete with the last generation thats no longer in production. In my opinion, chasing the Z28 with their new platform was low hanging fruit, that really only impressed the Blue Oval guys. We are no longer talking Gen 6 v Gen 5 comparisons, everyone else had already moved on from the Gen 5 Z28 by then.
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12-13-2017, 11:27 AM | #343 | |
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Seems like they hadn't moved on. |
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Also Ford has never had a problem releasing a much better performing car the next year for not much more money. The 13 GT500 was significantly faster than the 12 and the MSRP difference was only 1k Now if the base car can't match the handling of the ZL1 and requires an R version that only matches base Z at Z1LE price, that IMO would be a total failure Quote:
And the reason it keeps getting brought up, is because that is why the car was built. You can sure as hell bet that there will be comparisons with the new ZR1 to the ACR, which is also no longer built. Now a magazine might not do it but the ACR will certainly be a benchmark the ZR1 is measured against.
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And the only benchmark that the ZR1 will be compared to will be a sub 7 min Ring time..
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http://www.motortrend.com/news/2015-...2-head-wvideo/ This was last year.... January 2016 MotorTrend head 2 head Z06 VS ACR. TopGear even did one early last year Z06, ACR and 350R And I could be completely wrong on the price part. I just don't see Ford offering a lesser performing car for a much higher price point. |
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Ford didn't build the GT350 to compete with an unknown car (i.e. 6th gen ZL1), they built it to undercut the Z/28. It didn't really vastly exceed the Z/28's performance either. So it's not as big as feat as you are suggesting with a GT500 on the same platform as the GT350 but significantly better handling, power, for a cheaper price. If Ford was bringing out the GT500 on a completely new gen/platform...there might be ways to cut cost some. As it stands, I would bet on Ford to follow their GT350 formula (i.e. have multiple packages). A base car that is faster than any ZL1 in the 1/4, a track pack that can put it on equal footing with the ZL1 around a track, and a R package designed to be competitive with the ZL1 1LE. That last one will be the tough one to do with staying under MSRP. The S550 is just too heavy. Weight reduction is prohibitively expensive with existing cars, and it helps more in track times than anything. And it will be especially hard to save weight on the GT500 with a blown 5.2L and be under $70K. The sad reality is no matter if they match or beat prices of the ZL1, they will still cost more thanks to asshats paying ADM. And since Ford is unwilling/unable to do anything about that, pressure to keep the price lower will probably lose out to them wanting to beat the ZL1 in performance.
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HAHAHAHAHA.....let's not muddy this conversation by bringing in what magazines do, considering they get money to compare things and have a LONG history of comparing cars they should never compare. Auto v Manual, Mustang v Porsche, etc.
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All valid points. I think to counter the weight, they are going to throw more power at it. I think that is what will help them beat it straightline and keep it close/similar/possibly beat it in the twistys. And I think they will find a way to have it at a similar price point. probably will be a bit higher, but I just don't see a base GT500 starting at Z1LE prices. And this debate is all in good fun gents Helping pass the time during slow season at the office. |
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