[WHAMMO]

I drive my F1 G2 6 months / year and 2 months of those suck..and I drove in -15degrees temp and no crack on 2 sets. I adapt my driving style to the temperature and nothing goes wrong. I do not agree at all that summer only tires are dangerous but there is always downside to anything: thread wear, comfort, performance, price, etc.

That beeing said, I might try Michelin PS3 performance all season because; thread wear (F1 are terrible), I live in a cold azz country and the stickyness of the F1 throws all rocks and crap on your Paint.

But the grip of the F1 are unbelievable and I might miss that...and go back with them. Plus they look awesome!!

Its true the 1LE is not a package for everyone but it shows the Camaro's real potential

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Phenix

On a side note... 9 million computational hours... That's 375,000 days, or 100 simulations running non-stop every second of every day for the last 10 years and 3 months (give or take a bit). Hmm, I wonder if that number came from the accountants that got GM bankrupt in the first place.

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Accelerated simulations..

Originally Posted by rayhawk

Well, if you have 100 machines running the simulations simultaneously, then you would divide that time by 100. I doubt they made up the numbers.

Apparently, this 9,000,000 number is a factor of CPU "core hours" that they've been running for the last three years or so on advanced, high-power, multi-core machines through computer-aided engineering models.

[VADER SS L99]

Summer only tires can have VERY good wet breaking and traction. It just depends on the tire. In snow or ice however your asking for a wrecked car. They do lose some grip when cold and you have to adjust driving. This is from someone who does this for a living. I will agree that there should have been two or more options for tires on the SS. Standard being a all season tire like the Continental DWS and a option for a max performance summer only tire that rivals even the stock P zero's like a BFG G force Rival or GY Eagle F1 supercar with a tire like the stock P zero in the middle.

As far as magazine test I bet anything they would always test the max performance summer tire the way the Mustang was ALWAYS tested with the brembo package. I don't think I ever read a magazine comparison test of the Mustang without at least the Brembo package, which comes with wider summer tires and most of them had a performance package on top of that. The 4th gen SS had tire options like this. I remember the G Force KD being one of them. That tire was for real and a friend was able to get a 1.7 60ft with them on a bone stock car.

[Bhobbs]

I've driven my 1LE in rain and never once had any issues. As long as you drive smart, the tires are fine.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Summer only tires can have VERY good wet breaking and traction. It just depends on the tire. In snow or ice however your asking for a wrecked car. They do lose some grip when cold and you have to adjust driving. This is from someone who does this for a living. I will agree that there should have been two or more options for tires on the SS. Standard being a all season tire like the Continental DWS and a option for a max performance summer only tire that rivals even the stock P zero's like a BFG G force Rival or GY Eagle F1 supercar with a tire like the stock P zero in the middle.

As far as magazine test I bet anything they would always test the max performance summer tire the way the Mustang was ALWAYS tested with the brembo package. I don't think I ever read a magazine comparison test of the Mustang without at least the Brembo package, which comes with wider summer tires and most of them had a performance package on top of that. The 4th gen SS had tire options like this. I remember the G Force KD being one of them. That tire was for real and a friend was able to get a 1.7 60ft with them on a bone stock car.

Yep don't think I ever saw a major auto mag review anything but a PP equipped 2015 Mustang.

Agree on the BFG KD, I managed to cut a 1.86 60' on the KDW in my '99 SS. Definitely an impressive tire line.

[Phenix]

Man I remember those. I think those were the first street tire (R compound excluded) to be able to break 1.0g on a skidpad. Had them on my 350z, great tires.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I've driven my 1LE in rain and never once had any issues. As long as you drive smart, the tires are fine.

Drive smart? What the fck does that mean?

[Shortbus]

I think they look pretty good. They do resemble the IROC wheels from the late 80's.

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

And there lies the problem. Sacrificing real-world performance chasing some mythical test result for magazine articles that no one reads. People that buy a Camaro SS buy one for one reason: they want a Camaro SS. People are not making their decisions based on some Motor Trend article. It's a useless comparison. However, there are countless people on this website pissed that these cars come with such terrible tires. They have some of the worst treadwear of any tire available, are the most expensive street tire you can get (which is why virtually no one re-buys PZero's once the stockers die) and everyone knows they shouldn't be running them in the cold, yet most do because they don't want to spend $1,000 on new rubber when they own a new car to begin with. That's a terrible excuse. Real-world performance matters, and when it comes to real-world performance, good all seasons are going to smoke a summer only tire.

The market for summer only street tires don't make much sense. They fail in most real-world conditions and aren't very good on a track, either. Sell the car with proper all-seasons, then if you want a track tire buy an actual track tire. A summer only street tire is the most useless tire of all because they fail to do anything well.

I noticed that you have General AS-03 tires on your car. How do you like them? They are significantly lighter than the PZero's.

[newb]

I return to this thread and laugh because in another thread people are complaining that the new top Camaro needs to top Hellcat horsepower but over here people are saying summer only tires are stupid.

So I get it now, GM, if you are listening, we need a 725 hp (just to make sure dodge can't easily surpass the hp figure again) Camaro with all season tires. And it better be safe.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by newb

I return to this thread and laugh because in another thread people are complaining that the new top Camaro needs to top Hellcat horsepower but over here people are saying summer only tires are stupid.

So I get it now, GM, if you are listening, we need a 725 hp (just to make sure dodge can't easily surpass the hp figure again) Camaro with all season tires. And it better be safe.

Don't forget lighter. And bigger.

Bigger than the current car, but lighter - with a million hp, and all season tires.

Seems like 2008 all over again.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Don't forget lighter. And bigger.

Bigger than the current car, but lighter - with a million hp, and all season tires.

Seems like 2008 all over again.

Yeah, **** it. Why stop at 725 hp when we can have a 1000!

[xgnxs]

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette

Yeah, **** it. Why stop at 725 hp when we can have a 1000!

...But what if..? Can you imagine, a car with 1000hp right from the factory at NOT crazyinsaneridiculous super/hyper car prices?!

Now that right there would be insane and get people talking

[whiteboyblues2001]

... and don't forget negative 20% financing!! I want GM to pay me to take out a loan for the car.