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Drumminxx · 03-26-2014, 09:41 AM

SO when I am having fun and throw it into 2nd my back wheels will spin to the point where I am practically doing a quarter donut, the car kicks to the side that much and I have to let off the gas to get the traction back so this is kind of good and bad at the same time. The car is a stock 2014 1LE, outdoor temps in the 50's, maybe the tires are just cold even though I have driven many miles to warm them up? while writing this I thought traction control has always been on, could that be it? I'll have to try with it off... So my question is what have you done to overcome this? I love it that the car has this much power but I want it to grip the road better when I launch it.

jrhagen · 03-26-2014, 09:54 AM

Less right foot pressure.

neptunetrucking · 03-26-2014, 10:30 AM

is the air pressure equal in both left and right rear tires?

Southern Comfort · 03-26-2014, 10:37 AM

Quarter donut? Is that 90 degrees ?

gajagfan · 03-26-2014, 10:41 AM

If the traction control is on, I have trouble seeing how this is happening. My 1 - 2 shift is often down with no lift of the throttle, and if the traction control is on, the car is very easy to keep straight.

TxBandit911 · 03-26-2014, 10:55 AM

Um....the car wasn't designed for a dead hook launch...

Have ever driven a car with any type of power before? Sounds like pretty typical behavior for a RWD vehicle with a manual....

casper sc/1ss/rs · 03-26-2014, 10:56 AM

I believe the 1le has a softer tire and if its cold that's your problem

thompstl1 · 03-26-2014, 10:59 AM

I've made quite a few mile long runs with my 2014 1LE at the Texas Mile event. On occasion I get some pretty significant 2nd gear traction loss too. This has occurred with new stock tires, warm weather, and an old airport runway which is good surface.
This is much worse when the temperature is under 60 degrees or so, and the colder the worser!

I doubt whether taking traction control off will help, in fact it may hurt.

It's counterintuitive, but my worst 2nd gear traction has always occurred AFTER I get too much wheel spin in 1st. I've quit using launch control as it's too aggressive for my tire/road/power combination and I get too much wheel spin in 1st.

Dropspeed · 03-26-2014, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Drumminxx

. So my question is what have you done to overcome this? .

Learned to drive!

Sorry, had to..

DaemonGPF · 03-26-2014, 12:28 PM

Honestly I see the same issue when it's relatively cold out and the tires are cold as well. I can break traction easily in 2nd when it's 40-50F and the tires aren't warmed up fully. First week having my car I fish tailed it pretty good while getting to know the car on a back road - TC was on. Yesterday and today it's been around 65-70F and I got to drive a lot of miles on the highway to warm the tires up. Once they are hot I can't break traction very easily unless I shut off TC and have at it. It's a different animal and you've gotta get used to it. It doesn't take much to end up in a pole or sideswiping another car.

Drumminxx · 03-26-2014, 01:00 PM

LOL...Thanks for the funny comments http://www.camaro5.com/forums/images...laughabove.gif Thanks Thompstl1, I am thinking that the temps are just too cold right now for the tires. When the car has been sitting overnight and I am doing a nice, legal take off the back tires will want to hop a little but once they warm up it stops. I'm in Ohio and it was 15 degrees this morning but I would think that after several miles of 50+ mph driving they would be warmed up enough... I guess I'll have to learn to drive like grandma and use less gas as some have suggested so I don't crash...but what fun is that http://www.camaro5.com/forums/images/smilies/twitch.gif

Drumminxx · 03-26-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonGPF

Honestly I see the same issue when it's relatively cold out and the tires are cold as well. I can break traction easily in 2nd when it's 40-50F and the tires aren't warmed up fully. First week having my car I fish tailed it pretty good while getting to know the car on a back road - TC was on. Yesterday and today it's been around 65-70F and I got to drive a lot of miles on the highway to warm the tires up. Once they are hot I can't break traction very easily unless I shut off TC and have at it. It's a different animal and you've gotta get used to it. It doesn't take much to end up in a pole or sideswiping another car.

Yep exactly! I guess I am just being a little too aggressive going into second and it's cold....

Drumminxx · 03-26-2014, 01:09 PM

This was interesting http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/13/c...m-fixed-video/ The tires are spinning on the wheels because of too much traction from the tires...

Dropspeed · 03-26-2014, 02:18 PM

You said 50 degrees in the first post and then 15* in a post above......That is a huge difference for these tires. Below 60 degrees I have found that they can be dangerous when cold until warmed.

At 15* they are down right deadly if you are horsing around.

The article you posted was in regards to the Z/28, not the 1LE.

Matt

03-26-2014, 09:41 AM	#1
Drumminxx Drives: 2014 2SS RS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Ohio Posts: 656 View My Garage	Too much tire spin? SO when I am having fun and throw it into 2nd my back wheels will spin to the point where I am practically doing a quarter donut, the car kicks to the side that much and I have to let off the gas to get the traction back so this is kind of good and bad at the same time. The car is a stock 2014 1LE, outdoor temps in the 50's, maybe the tires are just cold even though I have driven many miles to warm them up? while writing this I thought traction control has always been on, could that be it? I'll have to try with it off... So my question is what have you done to overcome this? I love it that the car has this much power but I want it to grip the road better when I launch it.

03-26-2014, 02:18 PM	#14
Dropspeed 2013 Camaro SS1LECTSVZ28 Drives: 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Suburbs of Detroit, MI Posts: 2,440	You said 50 degrees in the first post and then 15* in a post above......That is a huge difference for these tires. Below 60 degrees I have found that they can be dangerous when cold until warmed. At 15* they are down right deadly if you are horsing around. The article you posted was in regards to the Z/28, not the 1LE. Matt __________________ My 1LE Build/Journal : http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351990

03-26-2014, 09:54 AM	#2
jrhagen Banned Drives: Camaro Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: USA Posts: 2,701	Less right foot pressure.

03-26-2014, 10:30 AM	#3
neptunetrucking Drives: new ss Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: new jersey Posts: 242	is the air pressure equal in both left and right rear tires?

03-26-2014, 10:37 AM	#4
Southern Comfort No Tags/Habitual Violator Drives: 2012 SIM 2SS/RS & z71 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: North Georgia Posts: 2,379 View My Garage	Quarter donut? Is that 90 degrees ?

03-26-2014, 10:41 AM	#5
gajagfan Drives: 2013 1SS 1LE Black - Std Exhaust Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Brunswick, GA Posts: 3,622 View My Garage	If the traction control is on, I have trouble seeing how this is happening. My 1 - 2 shift is often down with no lift of the throttle, and if the traction control is on, the car is very easy to keep straight.

03-26-2014, 10:55 AM	#6
TxBandit911 Call Me"Doc" Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 1LE BLACK Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ft Riley, Kansas Posts: 890	Um....the car wasn't designed for a dead hook launch... Have ever driven a car with any type of power before? Sounds like pretty typical behavior for a RWD vehicle with a manual....

03-26-2014, 10:56 AM	#7
casper sc/1ss/rs Drives: 2011 camaro ss vortech supercharged Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: marion VA. Posts: 524 View My Garage	I believe the 1le has a softer tire and if its cold that's your problem

03-26-2014, 10:59 AM	#8
thompstl1 Drives: 2017 A10 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Anderson, Tx. Posts: 373 View My Garage	I've made quite a few mile long runs with my 2014 1LE at the Texas Mile event. On occasion I get some pretty significant 2nd gear traction loss too. This has occurred with new stock tires, warm weather, and an old airport runway which is good surface. This is much worse when the temperature is under 60 degrees or so, and the colder the worser! I doubt whether taking traction control off will help, in fact it may hurt. It's counterintuitive, but my worst 2nd gear traction has always occurred AFTER I get too much wheel spin in 1st. I've quit using launch control as it's too aggressive for my tire/road/power combination and I get too much wheel spin in 1st.

03-26-2014, 12:28 PM	#10
DaemonGPF Redonkulous Drives: Camaro Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: United States Posts: 306	Honestly I see the same issue when it's relatively cold out and the tires are cold as well. I can break traction easily in 2nd when it's 40-50F and the tires aren't warmed up fully. First week having my car I fish tailed it pretty good while getting to know the car on a back road - TC was on. Yesterday and today it's been around 65-70F and I got to drive a lot of miles on the highway to warm the tires up. Once they are hot I can't break traction very easily unless I shut off TC and have at it. It's a different animal and you've gotta get used to it. It doesn't take much to end up in a pole or sideswiping another car.

03-26-2014, 01:00 PM	#11
Drumminxx Drives: 2014 2SS RS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Ohio Posts: 656 View My Garage	LOL...Thanks for the funny comments http://www.camaro5.com/forums/images...laughabove.gif Thanks Thompstl1, I am thinking that the temps are just too cold right now for the tires. When the car has been sitting overnight and I am doing a nice, legal take off the back tires will want to hop a little but once they warm up it stops. I'm in Ohio and it was 15 degrees this morning but I would think that after several miles of 50+ mph driving they would be warmed up enough... I guess I'll have to learn to drive like grandma and use less gas as some have suggested so I don't crash...but what fun is that http://www.camaro5.com/forums/images/smilies/twitch.gif

03-26-2014, 01:09 PM	#13
Drumminxx Drives: 2014 2SS RS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Ohio Posts: 656 View My Garage	This was interesting http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/13/c...m-fixed-video/ The tires are spinning on the wheels because of too much traction from the tires...