07-03-2020, 12:30 PM | #85 |
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to the average person a camaro does nothing well. its not rocket science. even if they ran down to a dealership after seeing an ad, they would quickly be running to other makers after a test drive.
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07-03-2020, 12:56 PM | #86 | |
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Repairs, upgrades, maintenance... Where do you get all of that done in a manner that everything is tracked appropriately so that the manufacturer can off you a warranty? Yes, dealerships have heavy markups on the cars, but there's a certain amount of "necessary evil" in having dealerships that plays into all of the days, months, and years AFTER the sale that matter. If you want to take the dealership out of the equation and look at how repairs and maintenance would work, you would have a huge network of traveling techs that would each need to be fully outfitted with tools, a truck, access to parts, etc... How much do you think THAT would cost for the manufacturers to maintain? Even if they outsource it, it's expensive. Recovering those costs would likely mean little, if any, difference in the cost of the car up front. Yet, there would be no ability to see lots of them in one place to comare sizes, colors, options, etc. So, same price, less convenient. Is that better? All I'm really saying is that there is a LOT more to it than just the markup for selling the car itself. Where does that profit, ultimately, go? How much of it is consumed by operating expenses of the dealership? |
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07-03-2020, 01:49 PM | #87 | |
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I'm telling you, no one would save money if the manufacturer did it this way. Their cost of business would skyrocket due to the people needed to help them move their cars. I always see this brought up but it's normally by someone that really hasn't done ALL of the homework on what would be required to make it happen. |
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07-03-2020, 02:27 PM | #88 |
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Unfortunately this is correct. It's a very narrow-focus automobile, even within its own category. I still like them and still want one, but I would have to make it a second car instead of a replacement for my Impala, it's just too much of a compromise as a daily driver. I could make a Mustang or Challenger (especially the Dodge) work. I do NOT understand why GM made the Camaro essentially a Corvette with a nearly unusable back seat.
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07-03-2020, 03:07 PM | #89 |
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Most dealerships around me have literally 0 Camaro inventory. The one dealership I did find with Inventory had a couple of V6 2020s and a single 2019 2SS. I bought the 2SS for way below invoice. Sounds like the Camaro was first on the GM chopping block when COVID came around.
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07-03-2020, 05:30 PM | #90 |
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all production stopped, so there was no 'first on the chopping block'. As the Camaro is a smaller seller than the trucks and suv's there were fewer of them on the lots to begin with.
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07-03-2020, 05:37 PM | #91 |
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I highly doubt production went straight to zero overnight, they probably began ramping down months ago when suppliers started running into issues with any tertiary components/resources sourced from China like rubber, displays, and other electronics. By your own words the camaro is a niche low-volume product and that's the first thing that stops being made when you're starting to lose revenue.
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07-03-2020, 11:16 PM | #92 |
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you're entitled to doubt anything you want. the world keeps moving on in reality.
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07-03-2020, 11:31 PM | #93 | |
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Prior to March 18th they were running at normal full scale operation. |
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07-03-2020, 11:35 PM | #94 | |
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2. Cosco already sells cars as much as they can within the law. 3. Manufacturers want to control the image of their brand. This gets muddied by dealers who want to make their own brand to differentiate themselves from other dealers. I believe one of the many ways removing the law to have to use dealerships only would result in franchises that are more fully controlled by manufacturers and act... Like McDonald's.... Every dealership would basically be the same... Their prices carefully controlled by the manufacturer. Their look and names and employee training, all centrally controlled so the experience is the same if you go into a dealership in PA for a given make, as in California. I'm not saying dealerships wouldn't exist. They just wouldn't be without competition and consumers would have choice in how they buy their vehicles and the experience would improve because for the most part, the egomaniacal dealership of today that tries to differentiate themselves even though they're the same as every other dealership will go extinct. Replaced by people who run the franchise as a partner of the OEM if not a direct employee. I think a lot of the bad dealership experience comes from top to bottom in owners who need to see their name everywhere. That and no real incentive to do better since their business model is legally required |
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07-04-2020, 07:06 AM | #95 | |
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By the way what year you refer but I believe that is what we call coincidence. Back in the day GM had 2, yes TWO plants make F-body cars. Demand for Camaro and Firebird was so great the had a plant in California and a plant in Ohio. The last time the Camaro sold over 100,000 units was 25 years ago. And if we believed the "GM doesn't market the Camaro" fan club, you would also be able to go back to 1999, 1998 and 2000 and see GM didn't market the Camaro and it died. And that was 20 years ago. I'll say it again (and will probably have to again), GM designed and engineered the greatest Camaro ever and they did it for a very focused customer, the existing Gen5 Camaro customer, who when asked simply screamed MOHRRRRRRRR. And GM listened. So what you claim is if GM simply advertised (they actually do market the car) they would sell more. But this is the exact equivalent of saying that if you had the best Left Handed base ball gloves you could sell them to Right Handers if you were just smart enough to advertise. They made a very exacting and precise machine with a very specific purpose for a very specific customer. They did not make a multi-purpose, fits everyone sport coupe. And in the end, even if they had a car that did fit more needs, coupes are dying. And if you look at the post for sales over the years, it's pretty clear.
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07-04-2020, 07:51 AM | #96 |
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i would like to see available vehicles from chevrolet in say...1980, 2000 and now. how many and what they were. i feel like there are a lot more vehicles available now than there used to be. never know until one actually does the research.
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07-04-2020, 09:13 AM | #98 | |
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There's more available from 1980 than you likely remember. |
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