08-28-2021, 11:05 PM | #1 |
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Get M Garage Oil Squirters - Anyone here tried them?
I’m going to give them a shot with my rebuild. Just ordered them from BTR. Wondering if anyone here has tried these? Seems like a slick product and way to add oil squirters to the LS3 block. The benefits for forced induction seems fairly well documented. ZL1’s use them. Must be something to it.
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08-29-2021, 04:06 AM | #2 |
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I thought the ls3 had oil squirters already?
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08-29-2021, 04:16 AM | #3 |
It don’t come easy.
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I believe it’s the LSA that has the squirters.
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08-29-2021, 04:29 AM | #4 |
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08-29-2021, 06:54 AM | #5 |
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LS3 = No oil squirter's. LSA, LS9 or pretty much anything boosted has the squirter's. They could also be referred as Piston Cooling Jets. They can be quite beneficial to any build, as they pull heat out of the pistons and combustion chamber. Stock compression, or non boosted engines dont see the cylinder temps needed to require them, so thats why they arent in the LS3 blocks. But if you're going high compression, or boosted, for sure use some or get the block machined to accept them.
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08-29-2021, 10:56 PM | #6 | |
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08-30-2021, 06:47 AM | #7 |
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A lot of engine builders chose to delete the oil squiters for more oil flow to the heads. They dont come on lsx or dart blocks… food for thought.
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08-30-2021, 11:32 AM | #8 |
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Could that be because the LSX block is a iron block? I thought the dart block offered them. I know builders like Livernois and Hutter Performance recommend them on boosted engines, I do not believe the factory would just spend the additional money to add them if there was no benefit.
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08-30-2021, 11:39 AM | #9 |
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I think Thompson Motorsports doesn't like them and maybe even typically blocked them off on the their LSA builds.
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08-30-2021, 01:10 PM | #10 |
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Whatever your opinion on them, they do in fact, pull heat out of the combustion chambers. Just because someone, a particular block or shop, doesn't use or like to use them is subjective. It all depends on your build and what you're trying to accomplish. If your running looser bearing clearances, and thicker oil, then I could see there being a potential oil flow / volume issue requiring an oil pump that cant flow enough volume to keep things lubricated. Especially if you have lifters with axel oiling thus exasperating the issue of oil flow. I all depends on what you're trying to do
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08-30-2021, 02:44 PM | #12 | |
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The OEM would be testing their engines at WOT for hours at a time Some also wrongly believe they can starve the main oil system of oil...which just doesn't really happen. If you're just doing a daily, fun car, drag race only...probably not a real benefit. If you're doing a lot of say 1/2 mile, mile, or long duration WOT ( say a boat or something ), then they are most definitely worth doing |
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08-30-2021, 03:12 PM | #13 |
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They potentially "can" pull too much heat from the pistons and cause issues with oil temps, and keeping that under control can be problematic. Especially if you used a block fill or half block fill. Everything is always a trade off. I see no real reason NOT to use them IMO, but to each their own.
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08-30-2021, 03:20 PM | #14 | |
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Certainly where they are easy to do, I'd be doing them. However....especially LSA/9 style...they do not like strokers. I've a 3.825" stroke on mine, and I can barely clear the squirters. Stock stroke would be no problem, 4" not a chance. Although mines an LS2 block drilled/tapped for the LSA/9 style. |
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