Meanwhile....at the car lots... - Page 13

SpeedIsLife · 10-05-2015, 09:43 AM

GM absolutely changed the guts of the car, no one argues that. They also trimmed it down, which also is undeniable.

What remains to be seen however is if the refreshed, but remarkably identical, style remains a hit. The Challenger has kept in its own little retro - muscle cruiser niche so it only needed the barest of refreshing, and even at that it just transitioned from 70 to 71/72.

90503 · 11-03-2015, 09:43 AM

October 2015 Camaro Sales Figures (and vs. Mustang & Challenger)
October 2015 Delivery (sales) Stats:

Camaro October 2015 Deliveries (actual sales): 5,289 -2% (Pr Ye)

Compared to Competition:

Mustang October 2015 Delivery (sales):10,096 121% (Pr Ye)
Challenger October 2015 Delivery (sales):5,409 31% (Pr Ye)
Attached Images

90503 · 11-03-2015, 10:06 AM

I guess no '16 Camaro sales are included yet....Maybe next month?...Looks like Mustang just barely topped the "Since 2009" sales number....Challenger sold more last month than Camaro...Come on 6thGen!!...lol...

AZCamaroFan · 11-03-2015, 10:37 AM

there's a lot of 5thgens still on lots and they're still building them for a couple more weeks.
going to be sitting there a while or discounted with the 6thgen coming out.

SpeedIsLife · 11-03-2015, 10:42 AM

Goodnight the Mustang just isn't slowing down!

Great month for the Challenger!

KMPrenger · 11-03-2015, 12:53 PM

Mustang picked back up some sales. Good for it. I think its going to be tough to outsell Mustang, but hope I'm wrong.

Challenger continues to pick up sales, which is pretty cool.

5th gen Camaro is doing as expected at this point, but its clear that its sales aren't going anywhere until the 6th gen starts to pick up pace, which I think might not be until spring. We'll see.

I don't expect to see anything like the Mustang in terms of a sales spike due to a new generation. New Mustang went on sale in the prime of the year. Camaro goes on sale in the worse season possible...so its sales will be spreadout further through winter and spring, as compared to the larger spike it would've gotten if it had come out in mid to late spring or summer.

Zack46 · 11-03-2015, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Mustang picked back up some sales. Good for it. I think its going to be tough to outsell Mustang, but hope I'm wrong.

Challenger continues to pick up sales, which is pretty cool.

5th gen Camaro is doing as expected at this point, but its clear that its sales aren't going anywhere until the 6th gen starts to pick up pace, which I think might not be until spring. We'll see.

I don't expect to see anything like the Mustang in terms of a sales spike due to a new generation. New Mustang went on sale in the prime of the year. Camaro goes on sale in the worse season possible...so its sales will be spreadout further through winter and spring, as compared to the larger spike it would've gotten if it had come out in mid to late spring or summer.

What they should have done is introduce the new 2016 Camaro in the spring of 2014 so it could be in dealerships in the summer of 2015. That way it would give GM plenty of time for testing, etc. prior to releasing it for sale to the public.... I completely agree with you, showing the car in the spring of 2015 and selling it in Nov-Dec of 2015, I don't think they will sell as many cars as they think. People are saving for xmas gifts, etc.., etc. Of course, the new 2016 Camaro would make an awesome xmas gift!!!

SpeedIsLife · 11-03-2015, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Zack46

What they should have done is introduce the new 2016 Camaro in the spring of 2014 so it could be in dealerships in the summer of 2015. That way it would give GM plenty of time for testing, etc. prior to releasing it for sale to the public.... I completely agree with you, showing the car in the spring of 2015 and selling it in Nov-Dec of 2015, I don't think they will sell as many cars as they think. People are saving for xmas gifts, etc.., etc. Of course, the new 2016 Camaro would make an awesome xmas gift!!!

More than likely contract commitments at Oshawa prevented any earlier introduction

KMPrenger · 11-03-2015, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Zack46

What they should have done is introduce the new 2016 Camaro in the spring of 2014 so it could be in dealerships in the summer of 2015. That way it would give GM plenty of time for testing, etc. prior to releasing it for sale to the public.... I completely agree with you, showing the car in the spring of 2015 and selling it in Nov-Dec of 2015, I don't think they will sell as many cars as they think. People are saving for xmas gifts, etc.., etc. Of course, the new 2016 Camaro would make an awesome xmas gift!!!

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

More than likely contract commitments at Oshawa prevented any earlier introduction

Yeah...I'm not upset or disappointed the release is during late fall/winter. I'm sure Chevrolet had a reason for doing so, and ultimately it shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I just merely pointed out that I doubt we will see as big of a spike in sales as there would have been if it were a spring or summer launch. Sales will just be more spread out instead of a huge initial bunch of sales over the first two or three months.

titanfan · 11-03-2015, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 90503

October 2015 Camaro Sales Figures (and vs. Mustang & Challenger)
October 2015 Delivery (sales) Stats:

Camaro October 2015 Deliveries (actual sales): 5,289 -2% (Pr Ye)

Compared to Competition:

Mustang October 2015 Delivery (sales):10,096 121% (Pr Ye)
Challenger October 2015 Delivery (sales):5,409 31% (Pr Ye)

One of those trend lines is going the wrong direction. Hopefully, the 6th Gen will reverses things. I'd to see all three cars have sales trending up next year.

shaffe · 11-04-2015, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Mustang picked back up some sales. Good for it. I think its going to be tough to outsell Mustang, but hope I'm wrong.

Challenger continues to pick up sales, which is pretty cool.

5th gen Camaro is doing as expected at this point, but its clear that its sales aren't going anywhere until the 6th gen starts to pick up pace, which I think might not be until spring. We'll see.

I don't expect to see anything like the Mustang in terms of a sales spike due to a new generation. New Mustang went on sale in the prime of the year. Camaro goes on sale in the worse season possible...so its sales will be spreadout further through winter and spring, as compared to the larger spike it would've gotten if it had come out in mid to late spring or summer.

Mustang has been selling extremely well. Really speaks to the fact that forums are minority on stuff like looks bc it sure seems like it appeals to a ton of people haha.

Challenger still going strong, good for them. I am still shocked it sells as many as it does without offering a drop top version.

5th Gen sales arent that bad at all considering how close the 6th gen is.

Your last point though, I am going by memory, but IIRC didn't the S550 not really start showing up on dealer lots until October . Mustang sales in September and October of 2014 were some of the lowest they had been in years. It wasn't until November of 14 that sales really started to spike, I wouldnt call that the prime of the year

KMPrenger · 11-04-2015, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

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Your last point though, I am going by memory, but IIRC didn't the S550 not really start showing up on dealer lots until October . Mustang sales in September and October of 2014 were some of the lowest they had been in years. It wasn't until November of 14 that sales really started to spike, I wouldnt call that the prime of the year

Well you got me on that one lol.

Looks like the earliest they started to hit lots was late October 2014 from what I found. OK...so it was definitely not prime time, but I guess that's roughly a good month head start over what Camaro is doing now.

Looking forward to seeing how the sales war shakes down over the next year.

shaffe · 11-04-2015, 08:28 AM

haha no worries KMP I have been wrong much more often than I have been right haha. I am very curious to see how the sales play out in May June and July.

SpeedIsLife · 11-04-2015, 09:58 AM

I find GM's excuse of "due to demand we won't offer Supplier or Employee pricing for 6-10 months" to be horse crap. Ford had Xplan from day 1 on all regular production Mustangs..

It boils down to greed, and hopefully their sales in those months will be lower for it.

11-03-2015, 12:53 PM	#174
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	Mustang picked back up some sales. Good for it. I think its going to be tough to outsell Mustang, but hope I'm wrong. Challenger continues to pick up sales, which is pretty cool. 5th gen Camaro is doing as expected at this point, but its clear that its sales aren't going anywhere until the 6th gen starts to pick up pace, which I think might not be until spring. We'll see. I don't expect to see anything like the Mustang in terms of a sales spike due to a new generation. New Mustang went on sale in the prime of the year. Camaro goes on sale in the worse season possible...so its sales will be spreadout further through winter and spring, as compared to the larger spike it would've gotten if it had come out in mid to late spring or summer. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

10-05-2015, 09:43 AM	#169
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	GM absolutely changed the guts of the car, no one argues that. They also trimmed it down, which also is undeniable. What remains to be seen however is if the refreshed, but remarkably identical, style remains a hit. The Challenger has kept in its own little retro - muscle cruiser niche so it only needed the barest of refreshing, and even at that it just transitioned from 70 to 71/72.

11-03-2015, 09:43 AM	#170
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,427	October 2015 Camaro Sales Figures (and vs. Mustang & Challenger) October 2015 Delivery (sales) Stats: Camaro October 2015 Deliveries (actual sales): 5,289 -2% (Pr Ye) Compared to Competition: Mustang October 2015 Delivery (sales):10,096 121% (Pr Ye) Challenger October 2015 Delivery (sales):5,409 31% (Pr Ye) Attached Images

11-03-2015, 10:06 AM	#171
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,427	I guess no '16 Camaro sales are included yet....Maybe next month?...Looks like Mustang just barely topped the "Since 2009" sales number....Challenger sold more last month than Camaro...Come on 6thGen!!...lol...

11-03-2015, 10:37 AM	#172
AZCamaroFan Camaro6 2016-2018 Drives: sometimes Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 18,450	there's a lot of 5thgens still on lots and they're still building them for a couple more weeks. going to be sitting there a while or discounted with the 6thgen coming out.

11-03-2015, 10:42 AM	#173
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	Goodnight the Mustang just isn't slowing down! Great month for the Challenger!

11-04-2015, 09:58 AM	#182
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	I find GM's excuse of "due to demand we won't offer Supplier or Employee pricing for 6-10 months" to be horse crap. Ford had Xplan from day 1 on all regular production Mustangs.. It boils down to greed, and hopefully their sales in those months will be lower for it.

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