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Old 11-23-2017, 07:32 PM   #15
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I'd bet in your neighborhood your known for lots of different things. Ha. Just saying.
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Old 11-23-2017, 10:19 PM   #16
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You've pretty much led the way on the forum to help a bunch of guys go fast on the NA bolt on list. The centri/PD route has already been done by a dozen or so guys so it's not exactly new territory (as you prob already know, Roho ran an 8.88), nitrous however hasn't really been talked about or pushed at least on the forum boards. Lead the charge into this power adder and see where it goes. You may be changing your user ID from Pray to SPRAY if it runs 8's out the gate...lol.
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Old 11-24-2017, 11:40 AM   #17
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I'd bet in your neighborhood your known for lots of different things. Ha. Just saying.
LOL. Yeah, they know me round here.
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Old 11-24-2017, 11:44 AM   #18
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You've pretty much led the way on the forum to help a bunch of guys go fast on the NA bolt on list. The centri/PD route has already been done by a dozen or so guys so it's not exactly new territory (as you prob already know, Roho ran an 8.88), nitrous however hasn't really been talked about or pushed at least on the forum boards. Lead the charge into this power adder and see where it goes. You may be changing your user ID from Pray to SPRAY if it runs 8's out the gate...lol.
My sentiments exactly. I don't have the pockets for a competitive blower build. However, I can drive this stroker deal hard like I have been with the H/C deal since that is what I am familiar with and then dive into the Nitrous stuff and see where it takes me.

I will look into SPRAY N' PRAY. LOL.
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Old 11-24-2017, 02:33 PM   #19
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My sentiments exactly. I don't have the pockets for a competitive blower build. However, I can drive this stroker deal hard like I have been with the H/C deal since that is what I am familiar with and then dive into the Nitrous stuff and see where it takes me.

I will look into SPRAY N' PRAY. LOL.
Sounds like a good plan, I'm sure we're in for some great results!
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Old 11-25-2017, 09:01 PM   #20
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I am looking to get some opinions on which one you all think will be faster in the 1/4. I am going to put a silly number on it that I want to go 8's. I understand all of the ramifications to suspension and trans and all of that. I am in the process of working all of that out. The other deal is that I daily this car. LOL. I think the budget will come out about the same in the end but budget is a consideration. I am thinking I can sell the P1 kit for 5K? and use that to do the 416 and make a dent in the nitrous kit.

I have a PC P1 STG II kit on the shelf. I was going to send in the head unit and get it rebuilt to a D1X. So the builds would look like this. I already have a ZL1 in tank pump that has to go in.

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PC D1X
Drop in pistons (stock cubes)
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Cam (already have it)
Ported heads/stock IM/TB (already have it)
Low side fuel system
LT4 injectors and HPFP
Pump gas

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416 (I can do it for under $3,500)
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Ported heads/MSD/TB (already have it)
LT4 injectors and pump
DP nitrous kit
Progressive controller
Stand alone fuel system
E85

I am thinking that the nitrous 416 will be faster in the end. I am positive the 416 will make well over 600rw with what I have planed for the build. Then adding a 250 progressive shot should allow me some more control over the 60ft. I will be able to run E85 as well in the 416 since I will use a stand alone for the nitrous fueling. I also see the over all weight reduction of the nitrous and it being set in the trunk as an advantage to making the car hook.

However, with the D1X being capable of 900+rw and having that power available all the time is very attractive. I can run a smaller cam that is more DD friendly. But I will be limited to pump gas with out doing a port injection system with the manifold to support it. Also from what I have been seeing, all the bottom 9's guys are all well into the F series blowers. I have no plans of buying an entirely new head unit.

Let me know what you all think about the combo's and their capabilities.
You can get there fairly easy my friend.. Obviously it would need to start life as a nice built forged shortblock . From there it would kinda get tricky for me. I've been studying the COPO Camaro since they first came out.. That being said , this may be the route to follow to the 8 sec zone. Based on what I've seen from this car, you need a BIG Whipple Blower , a BIG nasty cam (255 in duration), and the ability to spin it to the moon and back. Now I love my centrifugal blowers but man that 4.0L Whipple is hard to beat.. And that's with a 5.7L! So a 416 ci with this blower would be 1000+ to the wheels.. It would get down for sure...
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Old 11-26-2017, 12:36 AM   #21
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You can get there fairly easy my friend.. Obviously it would need to start life as a nice built forged shortblock . From there it would kinda get tricky for me. I've been studying the COPO Camaro since they first came out.. That being said , this may be the route to follow to the 8 sec zone. Based on what I've seen from this car, you need a BIG Whipple Blower , a BIG nasty cam (255 in duration), and the ability to spin it to the moon and back. Now I love my centrifugal blowers but man that 4.0L Whipple is hard to beat.. And that's with a 5.7L! So a 416 ci with this blower would be 1000+ to the wheels.. It would get down for sure...
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2016 6th Gen Camaro 2SS A8
Manley Products 416 Stroker Kit
Livernois Performance ported heads and cam
Magnuson TVS 2650 Supercharger at 20psi
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TWIN 105mm MAF meters
MAF Fusion controller for MAFs and additional injectors
American Racing Headers (2" pri, 3.5" coll) Full System Quad Tips
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LT4 fuel injectors
8 additional 65lb/hr port injectors
Weldon 1100 in-line booster pump with ZL1 in-tank fuel pump
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Old 11-26-2017, 07:27 AM   #22
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Build is as follows:
2016 6th Gen Camaro 2SS A8
Manley Products 416 Stroker Kit
Livernois Performance ported heads and cam
Magnuson TVS 2650 Supercharger at 20psi
TWIN 90mm throttle bodies
TWIN 105mm MAF meters
MAF Fusion controller for MAFs and additional injectors
American Racing Headers (2" pri, 3.5" coll) Full System Quad Tips
LT4 HP fuel pump
LT4 fuel injectors
8 additional 65lb/hr port injectors
Weldon 1100 in-line booster pump with ZL1 in-tank fuel pump
Monster build. To bad I can't even afford the fuel system. I think I have the dual throttle bodies covered. LOL. That was my original point. I am never going to have the pockets to roll with the big dogs on here. I have to rely on skill and trickery to get me to where I need to be. So that leads me back to my original two packages.
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Old 11-26-2017, 08:05 AM   #23
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Budget aside, being old school, there is nothing like getting all you can out of an NA build
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Old 11-26-2017, 09:27 AM   #24
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Monster build. To bad I can't even afford the fuel system. I think I have the dual throttle bodies covered. LOL. That was my original point. I am never going to have the pockets to roll with the big dogs on here. I have to rely on skill and trickery to get me to where I need to be. So that leads me back to my original two packages.
Strategery... George Bush style LOL. Seriously at one point when I was having some concerns with my Procharger kit being delivered. I was very curious about a 416, worked heads/cam/headers on E85 and what it could make at the wheels. That seemed like a great all round combo for a street car. I admit I am not a fan of spray, its temporary power in my view. But I get the uses for it. I will be tuned in to see the results of this setup for sure.
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Old 11-26-2017, 10:30 AM   #25
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Whipple is not required as toohighpsi proved. Little 0le 2650 Maggie will deliver the goods just fine.
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Old 11-26-2017, 03:50 PM   #26
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Strategery... George Bush style LOL. Seriously at one point when I was having some concerns with my Procharger kit being delivered. I was very curious about a 416, worked heads/cam/headers on E85 and what it could make at the wheels. That seemed like a great all round combo for a street car. I admit I am not a fan of spray, its temporary power in my view. But I get the uses for it. I will be tuned in to see the results of this setup for sure.
I agree with you on the nitrous deal. I have never run it and don't have a lot of respect for it to tell the truth. However, we are talking about a drag racing goal in my particular case right now. I kind of have to pick that goal with my budget. Below are my personal opinions and what is driving this debate for me right now.

I hate the "well, if I had XYZ in or on, then I would have beat you". I also hate "It's fast for a XYZ set up". I just want it to be freaking fast. The only problem is that now I find my self saying both. "well, if I was on E85 right now and my drag pack it would have gone low 10's". And, "My car is one of the fastest bolt on cars, bolt on with heads, and now bolt on's heads/cam". But at the end of the day a bottom 10sec 130+ mph car isn't all that fast. A Z06 with a pulley can cover down on me from a roll on my street tires. Can it run bottom 10's, no, but who cares in a chance encounter. I have always had more respect for mph than ET. But I come from a stick shift Corvette background. So mph was king. This Camaro is a whole new world. They run ridiculous ET's for pathetic mph's.

Would I do a 416 with a blower of any sort if I had the budget, heck yes. But I am looking at a 5-8K budget at best at this point. In my mind a street car isn't fast till it clips 140 in the 1/4. Quick is anything in the 9's. It will take one heck of a 416 to do 140 in this car, 9's should be pretty easy. I am honestly not sure if 140 can be done in a full tilt 2SS. I am thinking 137 in a drivable car is about as good as it is going to get. That's when the bottle and the excuses come in. LOL.

So both methods have there merits. I am going to have to pick a goal and do what fits in the budget to get there. Right now that has to be a drag car. The other deal is that I can only spend money to make money. Doing a blower build doesn't make me any money. Doing a killer stroker will lead to more business.
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Old 11-26-2017, 04:21 PM   #27
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I'm no expert by any means but I'm currently doing a build that includes a 416, nitrous and an F1a-94 and I think I'll be lucky to run in the high 8s.
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Old 11-26-2017, 04:52 PM   #28
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I'm no expert by any means but I'm currently doing a build that includes a 416, nitrous and an F1a-94 and I think I'll be lucky to run in the high 8s.

The problem isn't power. It never has been. These cars put down enough power to run 7's. It's hooking it and applying it. That is where the magic is. Getting the tune correct to hook the car and keep it hooked without breaking it. We have more than enough power. But cutting mid to high 1.3 60ft's need a ton of mph to get there. Now a race car that could low 1.2 60ft and utilize the power numbers a normal blower build puts out would run some sick numbers. Suspension, tire and gear combos, weight distribution, corner weighting, etc. are what it takes to get a car to ET. We just keep throwing power at them and hope they run well.
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