[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Camaro had a 4 Cylinder before in earlier years. And beside the 4 cylinder is putting out almost as much HP as a 77 Trans AM.

I don't think it ever did, but the Mustang did in it's puny years.

That's ok tho, this V4 Camaro is going to be eating well

[edit] Nope, you're correct, it did in 82... Check out that 0-60 time

There was a time when 90 horsepower was a lot, and that time was 1932. Fifty years later, it was bupkis, especially under the hood of Chevy's beloved Mustang-fighter, the Camaro. As the base engine for the redesigned 1982 Camaro (and Pontiac Firebird), the 2.5-liter, four-cylinder "Iron Duke" was the smallest, least powerful, most un-Camaro-like engine that could be and, like the California Corvette, it was connected to a low-tech three-speed slushbox. So equipped, the Iron Duke Camaro had 0-60 mph acceleration of around 20 seconds, which left Camaro owners to drum their fingers while school buses rocketed past in a blur of yellow.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by airjonny

Still weighing my options between a this, a Mustang or BRZ. If I don't get the v8, I'll be getting this turbo 4. The tuning potential of this thing is going to be huge. This is the same 2.0 from the Astra VXR, right?

No, its the 2.0 from the ATS, CTS, Regal, and Opel Insignia (not 100% on the last one).

The Astra VXR uses an engine from an older generation of 4 cylinders.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

I don't think it ever did, but the Mustang did in it's puny years.

That's ok tho, this V4 Camaro is going to be eating well

Yeah, those turbo 4's in the '84-'86 SVO Mustangs were puny. But they sure could put a hurting on the 305 V8 offered in the Camaro those same years.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH

OMG i coulda sworn i read somewhere that wasn't going to happen guess someone lied to us... I get the whole CAFE standards they need to abide by now but holy crap i mean really i like alot about the 6th Gen aside from that 4 cylinder option and the ball drop on the tailights yet again. That and it literally took a page from mustang and got more euro looking in a few areas.

Nobody lied. You had people in denial who derived facts from their own conclusions.

[Bassment]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

ATS didn't have the A8 available. That usually knocks a solid 2-5 tenths off 0-60.


Also take note the Ecoboost is out selling the V6 Mustang significantly by all accounts. Times are changing.

This is mainly because the base mustang is the V6 and it has basically no features you can add, you can't even get leather seats with the V6. Plus their V6 is worse than their T4, this is not the case with the Camaro.

[PoorMansCamaro]

I thought there was an "unofficial" gripes thread...se we don't get a ton of whiner threads?

[benanderson89]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

No, its the 2.0 from the ATS, CTS, Regal, and Opel Insignia (not 100% on the last one).

The Astra VXR uses an engine from an older generation of 4 cylinders.

Its essentially the same engine, just slightly newer, both from the EcoTech family. Same HP/TQ numbers as well.

That little engine from the factory in the Astra Extreme can push 300hp. The i4 is going to be ****ven. I'd definitely get it over the V6 and add a chip.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Bassment

This is mainly because the base mustang is the V6 and it has basically no features you can add, you can't even get leather seats with the V6. Plus their V6 is worse than their T4, this is not the case with the Camaro.

Yep so Ford can drop it from the lineup a year or so from now.

[suzook]

Originally Posted by bdavies11

Who's forcing you to buy the 4 cylinder?

Seriously??? Who gives a crap??

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by MikeT

Personally, I would have a problem with it if GM had adopted Ford's approach with the Mustang (i.e., pushing the 4 cylinder and discouraging buyers of the V6 by limiting the options/packages available with it). A lot of Mustang people believe that it's only a matter of time before F ditches the V6 completely.

GM is not taking Ford's approach, though. The Camaro V6 is alive and well... and upgraded.

THIS

[airjonny]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

No, its the 2.0 from the ATS, CTS, Regal, and Opel Insignia (not 100% on the last one).

The Astra VXR uses an engine from an older generation of 4 cylinders.

Thanks. I was wondering because I've seen some VXR's put out some serious power with some bolt ons and a tune.

[Bassment]

Everyone saying they'll choose a T4 over a V6 and mod it out, why not just get a V6 and turbo it? Is it just because it's a lot more expensive to turbo than it is to add some bolt-ons?

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Bassment

Everyone saying they'll choose a T4 over a V6 and mod it out, why not just get a V6 and turbo it? Is it just because it's a lot more expensive to turbo than it is to add some bolt-ons?

turbo cars from the factory normally have stronger internals. so just tuning and cranking up the boost can net you a lot of HP/TQ. if you turbo a NA v6, you have to worry about internals and upgrading those parts as well. it's just easier and cheaper to mod a factory turbo'd car.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

And I would REALLY like to see what 'euro' cars that are inspiring the style of the Camaro and Mustang. Because to me, a Ferrari looks different from a Lambo which looks different from a BMW which looks different from a Volvo which looks different from a VW which looks different from an Alpha which looks different from an Audi which looks different from a Mercedes which looks different from a Fiat which looks different from a Mini which looks different from an Aston Martin which looks different from a Smart which looks different from a Bently which looks different from a Rolls Royce which looks different from a .... well, I think you get the idea. There is no such thing as a singular 'euro' style.

Park a New Mustang next to a newer Porsche walk around to the back and you'll get atleast an idea of what i'm talking about. I agree with you that euro isn't all 1-style but there's a general line idea of euro and american muscle car and that line is getting thinner. Was really hoping for the LF3 in the V6 lol.