[mt3130]

In regards to the automatic Z06, it was done because GM realizes that they can sell far more of them with an A8 than they can as as manual only car.

They may recommend the manual for track duty, but the vast majority of these cars produced vehicle will never see the track, so its makes financial sense to build a track oriented car with an automatic, because it allows GM to sell more high profit vehicles.

Many American car enthusiasts seem to be very idealistic. GM only works the nostalgia angle when it makes them money. When breaking away from tradition makes more money, that's what they do.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

Is chevy running Recaros in anything? (serious question, I cant recall) I think theyre just left in the Caddy's now, I would bet theyre going to follow the Stingray process and use an in-house performance seat

I think you are right. I only mentioned the Racaros because so many folks on here want them available. I wouldn't get them, because they seem too expensive for my taste, and if I get the Gen 6 it would be a daily driver. If it was a track car, I would consider it.

[Bhobbs]

They could sell more Camaros if they made it a 4 door FWD family car, but at what point does a Z06 or a Camaro no longer be a Z06 or Camaro?

[Gen6_1Le]

I hope to see another 1le option but only if it's not a watered down version . I think within a year or sooner we will see the return of 1le in some form. I wouldn't mind a performance only camaro ss/1le ,and the only emblem needed will be the white ss emblem. I have read recently that Motor Authority has the 2013 1le in its list of the 10 greatest camaros of all time. That's saying a lot.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

They could sell more Camaros if they made it a 4 door FWD family car, but at what point does a Z06 or a Camaro no longer be a Z06 or Camaro?

According to the bean counters, when they stop putting a badge on it

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Gen5_1Le

I hope to see another 1le option but only if it's not a watered down version . I think within a year or sooner we will see the return of 1le in some form. I wouldn't mind a performance only camaro ss/1le ,and the only emblem needed will be the white ss emblem. I have read recently that Motor Authority has the 2013 1le in its list of the 10 greatest camaros of all time. That's saying a lot.

Same here. If the 1LE comes out as a watered down version of the 5th gen, I'll keep my car. I'll probably do the GM LS3 upgrade kit and maybe the Z/28 suspension and aero.

[doc7000]

It seems like there are two different camps on this, those who want the 1LE and Z/28 to be mass market cars and those who want them to fit a more specialized niche.

I tend to be part of the latter, the SS is the mass market car so why have 2-3 mass market V-8s?. You have the mass market SS, then you have the track star Z/28 and the super GT ZL1 Camaro with the 1LE being a slightly hotter SS. So honestly the SS and the 1LE SS are both the mass market V-8 powered cars with the other two being more specialized.

[Camaro1LTBA]

An SS is an SS regardless of whether or not it has a 1LE option next year... it's still a Camaro SS. I just look at all of the performance and options baked in already that is track capable yet an amazing ride as well.

I'd be far more interested in a ZL1 or Z28 for those that want that for the money. With the current SS, I just don't see the need to add another option for performance to drive the price well over 50k, but if Chevy can sell it then they'll build it.

Even with the Gen5, isn't the 1LE just an option on the SS? I can see the appeal though, but this car is perfect for daily driving and tracking. It'll be interesting what GM decides to come up with. It is nice that they are continuously rolling out more options as it is.

I guess those that want more of a track car would add the 1LE option to the SS. Is there a horsepower boost with the addition of the 1LE option on the 5th gen? Didn't think so, but seems like many here want it as an option.

I agree that the SS is the mass market V8. The other additional models that will come will likely be niche vehicles. Not sure I'd consider an SS with the 1LE option as a different model though.

Just my thoughts.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by doc7000

It seems like there are two different camps on this, those who want the 1LE and Z/28 to be mass market cars and those who want them to fit a more specialized niche.

I tend to be part of the latter, the SS is the mass market car so why have 2-3 mass market V-8s?. You have the mass market SS, then you have the track star Z/28 and the super GT ZL1 Camaro with the 1LE being a slightly hotter SS. So honestly the SS and the 1LE SS are both the mass market V-8 powered cars with the other two being more specialized.

That's my point. With the 5th gen, all but two Camaro models/trims were mass market oriented. Why can't there be one or two that aren't built for everyone? If GM thinks the 1LE did fine the way it was, I see no reason to soften it up. If GM was disappointed in the volume of the 1LE, then we can talk, but I haven't seen anything to suggest they were.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by doc7000

It seems like there are two different camps on this, those who want the 1LE and Z/28 to be mass market cars and those who want them to fit a more specialized niche.

I tend to be part of the latter, the SS is the mass market car so why have 2-3 mass market V-8s?. You have the mass market SS, then you have the track star Z/28 and the super GT ZL1 Camaro with the 1LE being a slightly hotter SS. So honestly the SS and the 1LE SS are both the mass market V-8 powered cars with the other two being more specialized.

I don't see why those things are mutually exclusive. Allowing for the option of MRC and/or auto trans does nothing to "soften" the experience of a non-auto non-mrc car.

The SS is already a "niche" car by virtue of it being a 2-door, no back seat (effective), fire-breathing V8, 2dr coupe. Its not made for the every man, so if Im willing to shell out $7k in upgrades to get a car with upgraded handling, wont break my back on the shitty northern roads, and doesn't give me an unnecessary workout in stop-and-go traffic, why shouldn't I be able to? (aside from whatever Chevy permits)

The response will likely be "if that's what you want then mod it." I could say the same thing to people that want the hardcore, take-it-or-leave-it 1LE, just mod it to be what you want. I want the factory warranty on it.

Al O has said its a car for the 2%, that's fine, but the Z06 is a car for the .5% and its still got those tricks.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Camaro1LTBA

An SS is an SS regardless of whether or not it has a 1LE option next year... it's still a Camaro SS. I just look at all of the performance and options baked in already that is track capable yet an amazing ride as well.

Correct, but a few slight changes/upgrades can take it over the top. Especially a wheel/tire upgrade.

Originally Posted by Camaro1LTBA

With the current SS, I just don't see the need to add another option for performance to drive the price well over 50k...

It wouldn't cost that much, unless you optioned it up. If they do it like last time, it will simply be a option package you add to a SS for about $3500. So, a 1SS with the 1LE package would start at around $41K. Most people who order the 1LE package would most likely not get the 2SS. That seemed to be the case with the 5th gen too.

Originally Posted by Camaro1LTBA

Even with the Gen5, isn't the 1LE just an option on the SS?

Yes, it has always been an option package, not a stand alone model since it appeared in 1985.

Originally Posted by Camaro1LTBA

Is there a horsepower boost with the addition of the 1LE option on the 5th gen?

No. It is a suspension/handling upgrade package for the most part. But, the gearing change (and the stickier/wider rubber) in the 5th gen did make them a little quicker then a regular SS.

Originally Posted by Camaro1LTBA

Not sure I'd consider an SS with the 1LE option as a different model though.

As I said, it never has been. Many just simply say "1LE" as oppose to saying "SS 1LE"...

[mjk3888]

I love how these 1LE threads turn into arguments.

All I know is I want a 1LE similar to the recipe of the 5th gen 1LE. Standard SS motor (455hp is enough) increased handling ability.

Personally I will have a manual. I could care less if Automatic is an option or not. MRC is something I would like to have, but if it's not on a 1LE thats not a deal breaker for me. I just think we need a ZL1/1LE to fill some market voids.

Camaro (Turbo 4) = Mustang (V6)
Camaro (V6) = Mustang (Ecoboost 4)
Camaro SS = Mustang GT
Future 1LE = Mustang GT Performance Pack
Future Z## = Mustang GT350
Future Z## = Mustang GT350R

If I could choose my dream spec 1LE it would be as follows

-2SS
-455hp LT1
-TR6060 6-speed w/ rev match
-1LE handling package
-MRC
-NPP
-Performance Data Recorder
-ZL1 wheels (from spied convertible winter testing)
-Michelin Super Sport Tires
-Front Splitter and Rear spoiler (not wing)

give me that for under $50,000 and I will buy.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

I don't see why those things are mutually exclusive. Allowing for the option of MRC and/or auto trans does nothing to "soften" the experience of a non-auto non-mrc car.

The SS is already a "niche" car by virtue of it being a 2-door, no back seat (effective), fire-breathing V8, 2dr coupe. Its not made for the every man, so if Im willing to shell out $7k in upgrades to get a car with upgraded handling, wont break my back on the shitty northern roads, and doesn't give me an unnecessary workout in stop-and-go traffic, why shouldn't I be able to? (aside from whatever Chevy permits)

The response will likely be "if that's what you want then mod it." I could say the same thing to people that want the hardcore, take-it-or-leave-it 1LE, just mod it to be what you want. I want the factory warranty on it.

Al O has said its a car for the 2%, that's fine, but the Z06 is a car for the .5% and its still got those tricks.

The whole point of the 1LE, since it was first offered, was to increase the track capability of the base V8. To make the car less focused would be to soften it. I don't see why every model has to appeal to everyone. All the other models built are for the masses.

No one has ever said the Z06 is for 0.5%. The Z06 is a stand alone model that needs to support itself. The 1LE is just a package, and if it isn't what you want, don't get it.

[triggerjerk]

There will no 1LE. Just a ZL1 and Z28. "These are the brands GM
is concerned about".
Source: Tight lipped Camaro team engineer to remain unnamed.
Don't shoot the messenger.

It makes sense. The 6th gen already has available mrc and 6 piston
brembos. I could see maybe a square tire set up option in the future.