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Yep those bad ignition switches caused those people to drive double and triple the speed limit, some in poor conditions, and some driving drunk, and some without seat belts. People NEVER crash cars and die driving drunk or dangerously, or at two or three times the speed limit, or in poor conditions, or not wearing a seat belt, with perfectly good ignition switches. So I guess those facts are irrelevant. Wow. Some people can't see the forest for the trees. |
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05-21-2014, 09:20 AM | #142 | |
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Nothing is sold that is not "defective". Nothing. Even bottled water has a defect rate and MRB action. Every Company Knowingly Sells Defect Parts. The only way around it is to stop producing. What my shop does is determine whether a part is defective. 20 years, 35,000 josb, and 1000 customers later I can tell you nobody makes perfection. And they know it. If they are ISO 9001, they don't "hide" it as you suggest. Everything is documented. This isn't about GM, or cars. It's about an attitude and a set of laws that do not line up with the truth. It will get so bad, that at some point we must as a civilization decide whether the courts will redefine reality, and we collapse. There isn't a school that is perfect, a park, a library, a house, a road, a business, a family, a church, a movie, a news outlet, etc. When absolute perfection becomes a legal requirement, it all folds. And it starts with people like you. Those who do not understand life, but feel that courts should be able to define what it is. And you can play the game for awhile. But it will come for you as well. A court will decide you are not perfect, and you will be punished. Suggested viewing: Gattaca. It all started with assumption of perfection as the norm. Get well soon!
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you're using "not perfect" and "defective" as synonyms and they are NOT. things can be not perfect and within allowable tolerances and still work without problems. GM knew they had a problem as far back as 2001; hid it; threatened early complainers with lawsuits. People died. The people at the heart of this should face jail time, same as people in any industry in similar situations.
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Silly me for thinking that the rules ought to demonstrate by example as well as by literal content . . . Norm |
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GM is being fined because all key type ignition systems fail when you try and destroy them. It's not if, it's when. Any lock will fail given enough time and load.
GM simply did not see a 0.01% defect rate as being a game changer. 0.01% is a WildAssGuess. The real failure level is probably a lot lower. In the last 15 years, GM sold about 60 million cars and trucks in the US with key ignitions. If 0.01% (1 per 10,000) failed and caused death, that would be 6,000 deaths.
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Naw, our government ain't that picky. They are pretty much against all business. Well, except ones they skim money from, like the Green Industry.
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Should we not bother to tell Gerber they need to not sell baby food that has broken glass in it? i mean of the millions of babies who eat gerber food, what percentage die from the broken glass? i mean really, isn't life worth less than a 1% increase in the bottom line? I mean no one can be perfect, every single item sold has a potentially death causing defect right? I fully expect my keyboard to break in half and send shards of plastic into my brain any second now. I don't expect products to be perfect, i do expect products that can kill me to be fully free of defects that could cause my death to the best of the sellers knowledge. And as soon as the seller of that product knows about any defect that could cause injury or death, they need to immediately take steps to correct and warn me about the potential issue. None of which GM did in this case. |
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05-25-2014, 08:28 PM | #154 |
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for me it doesn't change anything.
they still have my confidence. |
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