Why are most comparisons to an SS and not a ZL1? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

SamHouseIII · 12-10-2013, 01:44 PM

Yes I want one, no not bashing!

Yes I own a ZL1....but why are all most all comparisons done against the SS and not a ZL1 other than weight and lap time?

Example, the rear spoiler is unique to Z/28 and generates 440lbs more down force than an SS at 150mph? How does this compare to a ZL1?

Article picture is another example, more comparisons to an SS than ZL1?

SamHouseIII · 12-10-2013, 01:51 PM

Here's more to the article

2cnd chance · 12-10-2013, 02:16 PM

I'd say because it's upgraded (built) from an SS. I believe the ZL1 was also compared to an SS when it came out.

SamHouseIII · 12-10-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I'd say because it's upgraded (built) from an SS. I believe the ZL1 was also compared to an SS when it came out.

True but SS was the only thing to compare for the ZL1 at the time. Z/28 has both I guess.

ford20 · 12-10-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

Because they still need to sell z/28's. Think about it, if they compare the z/28 to the ZL1, it is only marginally better in the performance area and significantly behind the ZL1 in driver comfort, yet it will likely command a much higher MSRP. By comparing it to the SS, the gaps are much more exaggerated in the z/28's favor!

This!

SamHouseIII · 12-10-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

Because they still need to sell z/28's. Think about it, if they compare the z/28 to the ZL1, it is only marginally better in the performance area and significantly behind the ZL1 in driver comfort, yet it will likely command a much higher MSRP. By comparing it to the SS, the gaps are much more exaggerated in the z/28's favor!

I was thinking this too...

mkorgan · 12-10-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

Because they still need to sell z/28's. Think about it, if they compare the z/28 to the ZL1, it is only marginally better in the performance area and significantly behind the ZL1 in driver comfort, yet it will likely command a much higher MSRP. By comparing it to the SS, the gaps are much more exaggerated in the z/28's favor!

Nailed it.

Msmall143 · 12-10-2013, 03:46 PM

I would disagree with previous posts. I think its because both a z/28 and ss are naturally aspirated and the zl1 is not

If you want a fair comparison between a zl1 and a z/28 then compare it with a supercharged z/28

I believe just like the ss the z/28 is a good foundation where as a zl1 is a fairly completed car.

2cnd chance · 12-10-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SamHouseIII

True but SS was the only thing to compare for the ZL1 at the time. Z/28 has both I guess.

The 1LE was also compared to the SS. The SS is the base, the benchmark.

2cnd chance · 12-10-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

Because they still need to sell z/28's. Think about it, if they compare the z/28 to the ZL1, it is only marginally better in the performance area and significantly behind the ZL1 in driver comfort, yet it will likely command a much higher MSRP. By comparing it to the SS, the gaps are much more exaggerated in the z/28's favor!

They already compared the Z/28 to the ZL1 at their proving grounds which was done first.

SamHouseIII · 12-10-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

They already compared the Z/28 to the ZL1 at their proving grounds which was done first.

Cool, haven't seen this one

2cnd chance · 12-10-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SamHouseIII

Cool, haven't seen this one

Bhobbs · 12-10-2013, 08:45 PM

Marginally better.

Where the Z/28 is built to excel, it does, with 75 less horsepower. Where it doesn't, doesn't matter to the Z/28.

*DGthe3* · 12-13-2013, 08:46 PM

Yep. They built up from an SS, rather than going 'sideways' from a ZL1. So everything that was done on the car had the SS as the baseline. So it follows logically that most information would be presented relative to the SS instead of the ZL1.

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Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

Because they still need to sell z/28's. Think about it, if they compare the z/28 to the ZL1, it is only marginally better in the performance area and significantly behind the ZL1 in driver comfort, yet it will likely command a much higher MSRP. By comparing it to the SS, the gaps are much more exaggerated in the z/28's favor!

Yeah, 3 seconds a lap improvement on the 3 mile Milford course is pretty 'marginal'

For context, the ZL1 is only about 2 seconds a lap ahead of the 1LE.

12-10-2013, 01:44 PM	#1
SamHouseIII I Carry! Drives: 2013 CRT ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Fletcher, Ok Posts: 2,722	Why are most comparisons to an SS and not a ZL1? Yes I want one, no not bashing! Yes I own a ZL1....but why are all most all comparisons done against the SS and not a ZL1 other than weight and lap time? Example, the rear spoiler is unique to Z/28 and generates 440lbs more down force than an SS at 150mph? How does this compare to a ZL1? Article picture is another example, more comparisons to an SS than ZL1? Attached Images __________________ I am a Modaholic!! Please Help!! Do Not feed my addicition....See build... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261540 From Oklahoma, Join us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/okcamaros/

12-10-2013, 01:51 PM	#2
SamHouseIII I Carry! Drives: 2013 CRT ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Fletcher, Ok Posts: 2,722	Here's more to the article Attached Images __________________ I am a Modaholic!! Please Help!! Do Not feed my addicition....See build... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261540 From Oklahoma, Join us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/okcamaros/

12-10-2013, 02:16 PM	#3
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	I'd say because it's upgraded (built) from an SS. I believe the ZL1 was also compared to an SS when it came out. __________________

12-10-2013, 03:46 PM	#8
Msmall143 Drives: Camaro Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: NOVA Posts: 1,718	I would disagree with previous posts. I think its because both a z/28 and ss are naturally aspirated and the zl1 is not If you want a fair comparison between a zl1 and a z/28 then compare it with a supercharged z/28 I believe just like the ss the z/28 is a good foundation where as a zl1 is a fairly completed car.

12-10-2013, 08:45 PM	#13
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,989	Marginally better. Where the Z/28 is built to excel, it does, with 75 less horsepower. Where it doesn't, doesn't matter to the Z/28.