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Old 07-31-2013, 08:01 PM   #743
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I still enjoy the old adage, "There is no substitute for cubic inches."
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:30 PM   #744
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Here is the number I'm eyeing:

2.0 Turbo RWD / Auto – (3373/ 1530)

Yes I will agree with you that getting down to a flat 3,200 may be a stretch. But I feel getting into the high3,200 range from the factory is not. From there, the average modder will be able to drop 25 - 50 more lbs without even trying hard....more for the serious guys (but most serious guys go straight for the SS so we likely won't see many guys doing serious weight savings on the turbo 4 version...then again I could be wrong.)

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I have come to appreciate that faith very much. I just know how much work the engineers did on the ATS to get it where it is and that was a lot. More reduction would be exponentially higher and costlier.

Let us hope you are right because that would truly be an awesome automobile.

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I still enjoy the old adage, "There is no substitute for cubic inches."
So is that actual cubic inches or "equivalent" cubic inches.

If it is the sound of the cubic inches there are technologies that can make a 4 cylinder sound just like V8. I heard a Solstice with this technology and it sounded just like a V8. Now my argument is that it wasn't "authentic". It was fake.....FAKE I say.
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:28 PM   #745
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All I know is....if they can't get the T4/V6 in the low to mid 3,4xx lb range, and the SS in the mid to high 3,5xx range I'm going to be disappointed.

I'm just worried that if they go with the Alpha long wheel base version that the new CTS rides on, it could be difficult. Its still not as bad as Zeta though. I think a pretty loaded 2014 CTS with the magnetic ride is in the 3,600 range.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:35 PM   #746
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I still enjoy the old adage, "There is no substitute for cubic inches."
You`re close, it`s actually "There's no replacement for displacement". Either one get`s the point across. At one time that was the conventional reasoning, now it`s give me a turbo and some NOS to spool it up, just ask any of the import boys running 4 bangers how that works out.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:10 AM   #747
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I really don't have an issue with turbo 4's when used in the proper application, I even own one. The problem I have with them, is it's difficult to talk crap in the bar with your buddies bragging about your T4. You may as well brag and talk crap about Ballroom Dancing ...
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:12 AM   #748
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Come on out with the Turbo 4 Cyl but leave me the choice of selecting a 6 or a 8 Cyl if I want one .

I want the best of both worlds....
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:34 AM   #749
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I haven't heard anything regarding the 6th gen in a while but it now appears the powertrain lineup may end up being more similar to the 5th gen's than we originally thought.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:51 AM   #750
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Well Norm. This-- Glen-e says "It's not all of a sudden in 2025, you'll have a 4 cyl in 5 years in the camaro....or less....v8s will be gone soon too.....just watch....."

He's not the only one, so someone kind of is asking Camaro drivers to be that kind. 54 mpg? If they can take my SS, why would I think they won't force a hybrid gas sipping grocery getter on me?
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:12 AM   #751
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Say what you will about the joys of a 4 cylinder 270-290 HP engine. How wonderful it is in a lighter car, how great the gas mileage is... I used to own a V6 and I loved it and modded it-- so I'm not chest banging the SS. What I WANT is the Z/28 or if its out of reach ZL1.

If they are getting rid of V8's, GM has lost my business. I get to say what I buy, (except for healthcare, but that's another story). So unless they pass legislation
Forcing consumers to buy new 4 cylinder Camaro's I won't buy one. Or any GM car.

If (big if, because I'm not convinced we will see 3200 lbs). But if that happens I will STILL prefer the V8 LT1 in a 3200 lb. car than a 4 banger. Turbo or not.
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THEY AREN'T GETTING RID OF THE V8. FFS.
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:33 PM   #753
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:49 PM   #754
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What's FFS?
For F*** Sakes (fill in the rest for yourself).
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:56 AM   #755
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I will pass on a 4 banger part of owning these cars is the sound those big engines make. If I just wanted a fast 4 banger I would get a wrx or evo.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:07 AM   #756
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Say what you will about the joys of a 4 cylinder 270-290 HP engine. How wonderful it is in a lighter car, how great the gas mileage is... I used to own a V6 and I loved it and modded it-- so I'm not chest banging the SS. What I WANT is the Z/28 or if its out of reach ZL1.

If they are getting rid of V8's, GM has lost my business. I get to say what I buy, (except for healthcare, but that's another story). So unless they pass legislation
Forcing consumers to buy new 4 cylinder Camaro's I won't buy one. Or any GM car.

If (big if, because I'm not convinced we will see 3200 lbs). But if that happens I will STILL prefer the V8 LT1 in a 3200 lb. car than a 4 banger. Turbo or not.
I don't want a 4 cyl either...and why I bought a v8... I even hate the AFM...I use a range module to get rid of it....but from being in the car biz for 35 years on the mfr side, the v6 will be the biggest motor you can buy within 5-10 years....
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