[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Touché!

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Which doesn't make sense because the 10L90 is a better transmission. I wonder if the 10l80 was used due to lower cost to manufacture?

Maybe @Martinjlm will know, but I suspect the 10L90 is tough to package. Dimensionally it’s hard to make fit if memory serves and might be less efficient than the 10L80. Since it goes in 3 billion trucks 1 MPG per truck is a big deal to them.

[ALMN]

Did i see that right, Dark Horse is almost 4000 lbs? I called it back in the day but thats supercharged weight category for a mustang! Yikes!

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Which doesn't make sense because the 10L90 is a better transmission. I wonder if the 10l80 was used due to lower cost to manufacture?

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Maybe @Martinjlm will know, but I suspect the 10L90 is tough to package. Dimensionally it’s hard to make fit if memory serves and might be less efficient than the 10L80. Since it goes in 3 billion trucks 1 MPG per truck is a big deal to them.

Truck transmission is going to be optimized for fuel economy as well as towing capability and will also likely have different shift quality targets. ZL1 transmission is going to be optimized for go fast stuff. Shift speeds and timings are going to be different. Most if not all of that is going to be managed by software calibration, but there could also be part number differences in clutch packs. There will likely be differences in case configuration since there’s more room to package under a truck than under a coupe. Beyond that I would just be spitballin’.

[RLHMARINES]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

GM got WAY more mileage out of Ford’s 10L80 design than they did from their own 10L90. That 10L80 is in all the V8 Silverados to this day! Massive volume! Not to mention Tahoes, Yukons, ‘19-up SS Camaros, etc. Whereas the 10L90 only got ZL1 and a few Caddy models of use….tiny volume in comparison. Not trashing the 10L90 as it was/is solid, but it’s obvious that GM loved the 10L80 design from Ford more than their own 10L90, otherwise the 10L90 would have gotten the nod on the mainstream product offerings.

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Which doesn't make sense because the 10L90 is a better transmission. I wonder if the 10l80 was used due to lower cost to manufacture?

The big reason for the use case difference is due to the extreme hp/torque production in the super charged Camaro ZL1, CT5-V Blackwing and Escalade V models.

The 10L90 is a more robust design but it will have a slight fuel economy penalty due to the more heavy duty (heavier) parts as compared to the 10L45 and the 10L80 just as the old school turbo hydromatic 400 was not commonly used in light duty or low hp/torque applications which is why the turbo hydomatic 350 was a more prolifically used transmission.

[Kamero6]

Do we know what are the specific differences between the 10L90 and 80?. They have the same ratios, so I guess the gears are the same? clutch packs? Reinforced case?

One would think that for only 10kgm (72 lbs-ft) of difference in torque rating you don't need to change the whole transmission to make it work.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Kamero6

Do we know what are the specific differences between the 10L90 and 80?. They have the same ratios, so I guess the gears are the same? clutch packs? Reinforced case?

One would think that for only 10kgm (72 lbs-ft) of difference in torque rating you don't need to change the whole transmission to make it work.

Isn't the 10L90 in the ZL1? That is 650tq

[ALMN]

So Motortrend first test is out for the performance pack manual transmission version of the s650 gt and the results are not looking good. The car scaled at 3933 lbs with that setup and 4000 lbs for the Dark Horse with more heat exchangers, more wheel/rubber and 10 speed auto makes sense now. The acceleration, brake and skid pad results are no better than the previous generation it replaces. At 3933 lbs that car has 200 lbs over a camaro ss 1le. Good luck to all of you considering a $61,000 to $70,000 mustang which is even slower than a regular camaro ss.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...t-test-review/

[Jus Cruisin]

This will be the new macdaddy Mustang.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/m...onterey-debut/

[triggerjerk]

Originally Posted by Jus Cruisin

This will be the new macdaddy Mustang.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/m...onterey-debut/

800hp version of gt500 motor
8 spd dct rear transaxle
short/long arm front suspension
pushrod rear suspension in a tubular subframe
carbon fiber body parts
325/345mm rubber

Yes, good for Ford for going all in but at $300k

[crazedmodder]

I can't wait to see videos of it, the thing looks so cool. 300k is unobtanium, even if you have the money it is limited production and might have an application process like the Ford GT did. It's definitely cooler as a special edition than some special black paint .

I will say two points about the price though
1: I don't think it's worth the money from a logical perspective (I feel the same about all $300k cars to be honest). Although the rarity might see it appreciate.
2: The price is not unreasonable for what you get. Apparently it's put together by Multimatic (built the Ford GT and Mustang GT4 race car) and it has some pretty nutty stuff on it. The previous generation GT4 was $225k according to Car & Driver.


Here's the article I was reading about it:
https://driving.ca/auto-news/enterta...upercar-reveal

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Jus Cruisin

This will be the new macdaddy Mustang.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/m...onterey-debut/

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

800hp version of gt500 motor
8 spd dct rear transaxle
short/long arm front suspension
pushrod rear suspension in a tubular subframe
carbon fiber body parts
325/345mm rubber

Yes, good for Ford for going all in but at $300k

Built at Multimatic + mid-engine = Ford GT Lite

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by ALMN

So Motortrend first test is out for the performance pack manual transmission version of the s650 gt and the results are not looking good. The car scaled at 3933 lbs with that setup and 4000 lbs for the Dark Horse with more heat exchangers, more wheel/rubber and 10 speed auto makes sense now. The acceleration, brake and skid pad results are no better than the previous generation it replaces. At 3933 lbs that car has 200 lbs over a camaro ss 1le. Good luck to all of you considering a $61,000 to $70,000 mustang which is even slower than a regular camaro ss.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...t-test-review/

I don’t think the new mustang will be slower in a straight line though which I’d argue is more important to most buyers of muscle/pony cars. The Gen 4 coyote is going to turn out to be an awesome motor. Just wish ford improved the chassis the complement that engine.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I don’t think the new mustang will be slower in a straight line though which I’d argue is more important to most buyers of muscle/pony cars. The Gen 4 coyote is going to turn out to be an awesome motor. Just wish ford improved the chassis the complement that engine.

Bingo. Most muscle car owners just don’t care about the road course experience and we saw that with huge Challenger & Charger sales, which is a platform that is inferior to the Alpha chassis in almost every way…but outsold the Camaro handily.

One thing the Mustang has is a crazy good aftermarket. You can literally upgrade every suspension piece on the car if handling is your jam.