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Old 02-05-2010, 06:18 PM   #141
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Why don’t they just add 2 cylinders to the 3.6 DI, It’s a nice motor.
It would probably put out 425hp at 4.8 liters
(not the big displacement we would like, but the times are changing, got to have a little give and take)
MAD MAX would say, we’ve got the “last of the big V8s”
Then we can add the supercharging
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Old 02-05-2010, 06:41 PM   #142
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Wow...what a derailment of a thread....

Interesting news...But given how "tentative" things have become at GM (see the rapid cancellation of that Buick Plug-In SUV)...I wouldn't put too much weight into this "revelation". That's...5 years from now, 4.5 to be "accurate". A LOT can change, including powertrain choices. After all, depending on sales and market conditions, the 6thgen Camaro could be accelerated, or it could be delayed....

The bottom line is to increase fuel economy while maintaining performance...so maybe a V8 will be used to do that (the DI V8s will be out and still new at that time)...maybe not.

"Don't kill it till it's dead" I was once told. I think this is a good example.

BUT...on a positive note...there IS talk of a 6th gen Camaro. That's good news for us all!!!
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:10 PM   #143
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Someone may have already mentioned this, but don't all U.S. automakers have to have their entire fleet MPG below ____ by year ____? I want to say that the blanks are about 2015 and 50mpg. Anyone?
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:18 PM   #144
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If gm attempts to produce the Camaro nameplate with no V8 option then it will quickly go the way of the Probe..... For those that do not recall, Ford tried to make a V6 front wheel drive Mustang long ago. The consumers rejected the idea but Ford had already signed on the dotted line to produce the car, hence the Ford Probe was born.... I'm all for lightening up the car, but not by reducing the size of the engine block.
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:28 PM   #145
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If gm attempts to produce the Camaro nameplate with no V8 option then it will quickly go the way of the Probe..... For those that do not recall, Ford tried to make a V6 front wheel drive Mustang long ago. The consumers rejected the idea but Ford had already signed on the dotted line to produce the car, hence the Ford Probe was born.... I'm all for lightening up the car, but not by reducing the size of the engine block.
I disagree...

The consumer-base is changing...rapidly. It used to be that V8 was singly-associated with performance. Today, that's not the case: people in 304hp CTSs and 350-something hp Taurus' are realizing it. And remember all those fast-and-furious kids with not-fast-but-looked-it cars? They're growing up, and couldn't care less how many cylinders a car has...about now, they're wanting a car that looks fast...and actually is, too.

For the record, I think it's silly to assume that an equally-powered TTV6 automatically assumes better fuel mileage and lesser weight than a good DI V8...but it's another option that I for one believe shouldn't be ignored because of tradition.


EDIT: I also want to point out that just because an SS MIGHT (in 5 years or more....) have a TTV6...it doesn't mean the Z28 (in 5 years or more) won't have a V8

EDIT 2: I suspect that issue with the probe was more centered around the FWD aspect of the car, than the engines...Camaro has a similar story to tell...
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:33 PM   #146
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I take what ever Motor Trend says with a HUGE grain of salt. Although I can understand the time line might be along those lines, I really dont give them too much credibility.
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:40 PM   #147
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This is driving me crazy!!!! I have been saving money for over two years and from the looks of it I'll have to wait another five years!!!! Wow, I really don't know what to do. Ideally, I would love for the "alpha" CAMARO to be smaller, lighter and better handling. The question is can I hold out that long. By the way...what is meant by "everything looks wrong?"
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:46 PM   #148
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Well, if GM puts something like the CTS-V powerplant, which is a V6 550 HP plus.... well I don't see the problem.
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:55 PM   #149
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Well, if GM puts something like the CTS-V powerplant, which is a V6 550 HP plus.... well I don't see the problem.
I see a problem, because that's the most HP you'll get out of it... maybe a bit more, but the cost per HP will be very high..

So may die the last American Hot Rod, V8 being a prerequisite. And those that said the GEN V will not be a collector, it may happen sooner than later.. not to mention when GM runs out of $$ to pay for the 'new' platform...

I'm not negative or anything
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:01 PM   #150
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You should tell that to the folks saying, "It's not a Camaro without a v8!"

You can't count the number of people who appreciate the cars looks, handling and performance. Then you have a group that only judges the car on it's engine size.
That WAS the crowd I was directing that comment to There is always a bigger engine, there is always a faster car. I could care less what kind of engine my car has (v6 turbo, v8, electric) so long as it gets up and MOVES when I put my foot down!
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It's not just about fast, it's about TORQUE, something the V6s just don't quite measure upto.
True. Though...factory turbocharging seems to have made up for that...

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BTW, what companies ARE making a good DI V8 today?
I think BMW has one...and GM's is due out in a year or two. The technology has been applied mostly to V6s and 4 cylinders to date.


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Well, if GM puts something like the CTS-V powerplant, which is a V6 550 HP plus.... well I don't see the problem.
CTS-V is a supercharged V8...
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:10 PM   #152
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Maybe it will be the RS SS as a Turbo V6 and a Z28 SS as a DI V8...
I hope we never again see a Z/28 SS, let them all be one or the other , an SS should be an SS and a Z/28 should be a Z/28, not some mongrelization of both.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:18 PM   #153
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BMW killer comment is interesting tho.
Get in line. Caddy, Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, Infiniti . . . they all aspire to something to which they just can't reach: the automotive pinnacle of the 3 series.

Not a slam. They all make great cars, that in some ways surpass the Bimmers. But on balance, and specifically in driving dynamics, they all fall short.
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If you look out there in the real world there are millions of people that drove V6 Camaros from Gen 1 all the way thru to Gen 5! Of course the Gen 5 stats show V8's far outpacing the V6, that can be expected after a break in production and the re-introduction of the Camaro.

The rabid performance customers will always be willing to pay more for power or for something brand new!

Future Model Years of the Gen 5 will show more and more V6 models being sold. With a Twin Turbo in the works it would be not all that surprising to see the V8 actually flip flop.

I think the SS and possible Z28 will remain V8 powered, just less of them being sold as the TT 6 becomes a reality.
Ummmm, don't think so as there were no V6 engines in '67-'69, those were inline 6 cylinder engines back then.
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