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10-10-2014, 11:59 AM | #16 |
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The 4th gen was DOA so GM wasn't going to put any money into it. The only significant changes I can think of over the entire 4th generation was the move from LT1 to LS1 and the accompanying front fascia change. GM just didn't care about the car at that point.
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The 6th Gen wont last 10 years? Good point. I thought previously (obviously) that they were sticking to the old trend of keeping a generation for about 10 years which would be horrible. If they're not, then this isn't a horrible idea. they need a total face lift every so many years. My guess is about every 5 to 7 years.. No one other than you and some members of this forum think the 5th Gen is the "greatest" Camaro ever. You totally sound like the typical message board guy when you say stuff like this. While I like the 5th Gen.. to say its the "greatest" generation of Camaro ever is way off the charts. There are many people out there that are huge Camaro fans that haven't nor will they touch a 5th Gen. They simply think its ugly and or hate the interior. Lastly (warning/rant)... I hope like hell that GM is not feeding into the idea of the typical internet message board guy. "we want a lighter and smaller car" I cringe every time I read this. The 5th Gen is the heaviest Camaro ever made? Why did it out sell the 4th Gen by leaps and bounds? The consumer base(vast majority) that is out there could care less about how much this car weighs? Wanna know how I know this? Go look at the sales numbers for the V6 models. That's where GM/Camaro makes its pay day. The bulk of the consumer base for these types of cars (Camaro/Mustang/Challenger) could care less about the weight of the car. What drives sales is 1a. Look 2b. Price ..... 3. Saftety Only the internet gear heads care about weight. Go look at my signature... I've never owned anything other than a V8 powered Camaro. I have no interest in the V6 models. Over the years though I have grown to see and recognize the other side of the business. Its not about me and you. Its about the soccer moms, the freshmen in College types and the people that are in the budget/range for the V6 models. What GM needs to do is to continue to build a car that's going to appeal to the vast population. Something that catches the eye of everyone. Between that happening with the 5th gen and the marketing scheme (Transformers) its what put the Camaro name back on the map. You're are right. We cant see the entire car. Ill give you that much. But what we can see it doesn't appear that the car looks a whole lot different than the 5th Gen which has been mass produced since 2010? Seems like a much longer time frame than that. Maybe my numbers are off. If they want to "revolutionize" the Camaro/5th Gen... I don't have an issue with that as long as it doesn't look like the 5th Gen with just a different grill and a slightly different hood. I've been looking at all the de-camo'd pictures of the 2016 Camaro. It really seems like it hasn't changed hardly at all
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Did you really just compare the Camaro to BMW and a Porsche?
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The current Camaro is a large car with a cramped interior. They can make the physical dimensions of the car smaller while maintaining decent interior cabin space so there is little downside to making the car smaller and lighter. The ATS and CTS have great crash ratings so that is a non issue. The upside is better performance and better mileage, easier to maneuver and easier to park. Listening to people who aren't enthusiasts will make ever car a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic. Those are both fine cars but they aren't Camaros. Listening to enthusiasts only isn't the answer either.
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For me, the jury is still very much out. A huge issue for me is rear visibility. I like to be able to look over my shoulder and have some sense of what's back there. The 5th gen is sorely lacking in this department. Will the new car be any better? Impossible to say at this point due to all of the camo over the c-pillar and around the rear windows.
Of course, even if we get the same (or similar) fat c-pillar, it's possible that the new car can mitigate this disadvantage with technology (e.g., blind-spot detection, cameras, cross-traffic detection, etc.). All the same, I do hate looking over my shoulder and not being able to see a damned thing. |
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They should always offer a V8 that's highly competitive with it's rivals. They know this and I think everyone does. All I'm saying is that they need to continue to make a car that's cosmetically appealing to the point that the Camaro stays very popular. I have my doubts that keeping the basic look of the 5th Gen as the answer. I have to assume that depending on how long they keep this basic look is the key to its success/failure
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Why can't a Camaro go two generations on a similar design and not be successful?
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10-10-2014, 01:20 PM | #25 |
If it requires an explanation for you then its not worth my time. How old are you?
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10-10-2014, 01:29 PM | #27 |
The comment about how internet message board guys took the "new changes" to the Camaro (2014) goes right along with everything that I've thought and seen. Before I read this board a few days ago I told everyone that I ran into and discussed the Camaro about how much I liked the new changes. The spike in sales indicates that the changes are popular too. Leave it to the gear heads/message board (small consumer base) to not like the direction the Camaro went
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