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If you want a econobox, get one. If you want a WRX, go get one. You don't see people here trying to make the Camaro into a pickup, do you? What is it with these small displacement guys that prevents them from seeing the illogic of their efforts? |
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Small displacement and turbo-charging is a little like skip-shift. It produces small efficiency increases on the EPA's dynos, but does nothing for you in real world driving other than adding an extra layer of completely unnecessary cost and complexity to the car.
It's the rally cry of the already defeated....of those who have accepted that it is the proper for a regulatory agency to dictate what we can drive. Saying "it's fine, it's the same...in fact it's probably better," is a mental defense mechanism that helps the formerly free to deceive themselves into thinking they are still free.
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I could never understand why some people have such a RTC factor in their life. Change is a good thing and should be embraced. Without change, life becomes very stagnate.
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02-15-2013, 07:38 AM | #243 | ||
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I can't help it that "4 cylinders" carries such an econobox stigma, but performance on par with today's sixxer is not econobox country. I realize this is a "function before form" point of view, but once you're planning on having "X" amount of performance available, how you get there is less important than getting there in the first place. People need to get it through their skulls that nobody here is suggesting a Camaro version that can't even break into the 15's. Low to mid 14's is an entirely acceptable entry point. But why anybody who overwhelmingly prefers a V8 version should care how the entry point is configured just isn't making much sense here, as they'd all be somebody else's cars regardless. There's no need to feel offended any more than you'd have reason to feel that way by anybody else's SS that was equipped with the "other" transmission. Same deal about different people, different needs or preferences, different choices. The pickup suggestion is just a distraction into silliness. Quote:
Before you judge, fully half of the cars I've owned were/are powered by V8's. I happen to prefer normally aspirated engines for a variety of reasons, and want to see at least one liter of engine displacement per 750 lbs of car weight (1L per 600 lbs being better still). If you do a little math starting with typical ponycar weights, you'll find exactly one engine configuration that fills the bill for me. Norm |
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Wasn't this you? "A lightly boosted V6 will run circles around a lightly boosted I-4, so the I-4 will need more radical components to handle higher boost just to keep up with the V6. That means for the same level of performance you will shell out more money for the I-4, and have less headroom to tune it because it will already be pushed closer to the limit just to feel like a mildly boosted V6." Sounds like you were speaking in general. You didn't state anything regarding make/model/type. I speak from what I know- turbocharged I-4s beating the crap out of V-6 and V-8s with FI. Look for the FACTS all around you. Before you make generalized statements, maybe you should actually state what is already a reality. There's no such thing as an I-4T in a 5th Gen. You are like the others hypothesizing on the nonexistent. I'll be glad if they do come out with an I-4T in a 6th Gen (granted, if a 6th Gen even is released), and there will be someone to make it a point to you that you are full of BS, again... Captain Awesome? Maybe in your world with all your babble-speak, but just another faceless person in a crowd of others.
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Sometimes not changing is just fine. I love my wife and I plan to live the rest of my life with her. I don't feel the need to change partners every few years. But I guess my marriage really isn't happy, its actually stagnant.
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As a side note, it you don't switch it up with your wife, someone else will ...
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Change is not ALWAYS a good thing. Sometimes things change for the worse. Duh.
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Come March 1st I wont be able to get plastic grocery bags anymore because a few people in power here don't care for them. And now they aren't offered to others. Again, those same type of people who dont like things like Happy Meals, Big Gulps, and plastic bags and have banned them dont like "gas guzzlers" either. And they are running the EPA and the Dept of Energy.... I'm not trying to be Chicken Little here, but looking at their past actions every car enthusiast should be concerned.
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If people stop buying V8s and demand 75mpg sports cars, that's life. So then if GM stoppped putting V8s in Camaros and only offered an NA 4-banger, fine. As long as the market, and not the Government, forced them to make that decision I'm ok with it. What I'm not ok with is the Government limiting (or taking away) my choices.
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Worse for you maybe yes, but not necessarily for others. That's where survival kicks in and just learn to accept and go with the flow. In other words in life you change the things you can and embrace the things you can't.
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