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White_SS/RS · 03-16-2015, 11:32 PM

The stock fluid was what I'm refering to. Assumed it was synchromesh but thanks for correcting me on that.

Camarotobeornottobe · 03-17-2015, 08:38 AM

Yea, the TR6060 came from factory with Texaco ATF Type III 1863.

Some time back, I did the research, and I remember that it was slightly thicker than D4 at 40*C and slightly thinner at 100*C. I can't find the exact #s now though . . .

Camarotobeornottobe · 03-19-2015, 12:20 PM

So, I drove mine for the first time since early November.

Drove in 30* weather, came out of a 53* garage. Obviously, I didn't flog it, but the D4/MTL mix was flawfless with the cold tranny.

blakjak55 · 03-19-2015, 01:50 PM

I changed to the straight D4 last year. Worked much better in the cold than the GM factory fill. That being said, in warmer weather it's not as good as the factory fill to me. I'm going to drain and do 50/50 here in a month or so and see how it performs over the summer.

Camarotobeornottobe · 03-19-2015, 03:22 PM

Hmmmmm. I can't say that I thought the D4 was worse that the OEM Texaco stuff when hot. In fact, I would say the D4 was a little better hot or cold. I thought both thinned out considerably and resulted in increased noise when really hot.

But the MTL was the trick for more noise reduction and smoothness. I might even go to a 100% MTL change later this summer. Just depends on whether I feel like spending the $50 . . .

Camaro Dude · 03-20-2015, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Camarotobeornottobe

Hmmmmm. I can't say that I thought the D4 was worse that the OEM Texaco stuff when hot. In fact, I would say the D4 was a little better hot or cold. I thought both thinned out considerably and resulted in increased noise when really hot.

But the MTL was the trick for more noise reduction and smoothness. I might even go to a 100% MTL change later this summer. Just depends on whether I feel like spending the $50 . . .

Camarotobeornottobe, give me until the week of April 20th to add MTL in mine(now it's D4 as you may recall), and give my review.

White_SS/RS · 04-24-2015, 08:46 PM

Switched from Redline D4 to 100% MTL. I like it much better. Shifts feel the same wether the fluid is 40* or 190*. Biggest differences I noticed was the tranny was quieter,, in operation and shifting and it feels like the synchro engagement is much smoother. A definate recomend for anyone tracking their car.

LS3 Handler · 04-25-2015, 09:26 PM

I recently changed from factory fill to Amsoil Signature Series ATF which is a Type III replacement. I noticed the biggest difference when the tranny is cold. It shifts much smoother and easier when cold. When hot i didn't notice a big difference but still felt smoother. Now i don't track mine (was i could though) but from what ive read is manufactures test engines and trannys at operating temperature. So if to me i would try and findout what that operating temp is and what viscosity they recommend at that temp and get as close to that as possible. If your tracking and consistently run over that temp then i would find a oil that has the same viscosity that normal operating temp requires at those higher temps which is normally a thicker oil. So theoretically you would have normal wear when tracking but would give up protection and drivablity at low temps as that oil would be to thick. Just my .02

Camaro Dude · 04-25-2015, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaro Dude

Camarotobeornottobe, give me until the week of April 20th to add MTL in mine(now it's D4 as you may recall), and give my review.

I'm 1 week behind schedule with this cam install due to weather, so looking at first week of May for the D4 to MTL switchover.

I'm going to go something like 30% D4/70% MTL , since their might be a night or two at the very most, where Sledge might get left outside on a cooler than usual night, just long enough to impact "cold weather shifting" criteria.

Over the course of the next decade, I want the minimum amount of accumulated wear to occur during that span of time. My gut feeling tells me to experiment with that ratio for ultimate protection, considering how I intend to use this car. I can't wait to try this.

Camarotobeornottobe · 04-26-2015, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by White_SS/RS

Switched from Redline D4 to 100% MTL. I like it much better. Shifts feel the same wether the fluid is 40* or 190*. Biggest differences I noticed was the tranny was quieter,, in operation and shifting and it feels like the synchro engagement is much smoother. A definate recomend for anyone tracking their car.

Nice. Makes me tempted to go ahead and switch out to 100% from the 50%. Maybe next oil change . . . .

White_SS/RS · 04-26-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Camarotobeornottobe

Nice. Makes me tempted to go ahead and switch out to 100% from the 50%. Maybe next oil change . . . .

It will be interesting to see how it performs when the weather starts getting colder again.

Camarotobeornottobe · 04-26-2015, 07:12 PM

Even during the summer, I would appreciate hearing the occasional update on whether you continue to think it an improvement, particularly after some miles and some high heat.

White_SS/RS · 04-26-2015, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Camarotobeornottobe

Even during the summer, I would appreciate hearing the occasional update on whether you continue to think it an improvement, particularly after some miles and some high heat.

Sounds good, I'll update periodically.

Camarotobeornottobe · 05-26-2015, 04:29 PM

Camaro Dude and/or Blakjak -- you ever make the MTL switch? Curious to your thoughts?

03-16-2015, 11:32 PM	#29
White_SS/RS Drives: 14 1LE Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 1,567	The stock fluid was what I'm refering to. Assumed it was synchromesh but thanks for correcting me on that. __________________ LMS Engineering

03-19-2015, 01:50 PM	#32
blakjak55 drinks virgil's Drives: 2010 2SS M6 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Missouri Posts: 448	I changed to the straight D4 last year. Worked much better in the cold than the GM factory fill. That being said, in warmer weather it's not as good as the factory fill to me. I'm going to drain and do 50/50 here in a month or so and see how it performs over the summer. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS M6 - CAI Intake - Borla Stinger - VTC - 3.91's Eibach Sways - LG ZR28's - BMR Springs - 285/35 Squared

04-24-2015, 08:46 PM	#35
White_SS/RS Drives: 14 1LE Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 1,567	Switched from Redline D4 to 100% MTL. I like it much better. Shifts feel the same wether the fluid is 40* or 190*. Biggest differences I noticed was the tranny was quieter,, in operation and shifting and it feels like the synchro engagement is much smoother. A definate recomend for anyone tracking their car. __________________ LMS Engineering

03-17-2015, 08:38 AM	#30
Camarotobeornottobe Drives: 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: East Coast Man Posts: 550	Yea, the TR6060 came from factory with Texaco ATF Type III 1863. Some time back, I did the research, and I remember that it was slightly thicker than D4 at 40C and slightly thinner at 100C. I can't find the exact #s now though . . .

03-19-2015, 12:20 PM	#31
Camarotobeornottobe Drives: 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: East Coast Man Posts: 550	So, I drove mine for the first time since early November. Drove in 30* weather, came out of a 53* garage. Obviously, I didn't flog it, but the D4/MTL mix was flawfless with the cold tranny.

03-19-2015, 03:22 PM	#33
Camarotobeornottobe Drives: 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: East Coast Man Posts: 550	Hmmmmm. I can't say that I thought the D4 was worse that the OEM Texaco stuff when hot. In fact, I would say the D4 was a little better hot or cold. I thought both thinned out considerably and resulted in increased noise when really hot. But the MTL was the trick for more noise reduction and smoothness. I might even go to a 100% MTL change later this summer. Just depends on whether I feel like spending the $50 . . .

04-25-2015, 09:26 PM	#36
LS3 Handler I love the LS3 Drives: 2010 IOM 2SS Manual Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Washington NC Posts: 361	I recently changed from factory fill to Amsoil Signature Series ATF which is a Type III replacement. I noticed the biggest difference when the tranny is cold. It shifts much smoother and easier when cold. When hot i didn't notice a big difference but still felt smoother. Now i don't track mine (was i could though) but from what ive read is manufactures test engines and trannys at operating temperature. So if to me i would try and findout what that operating temp is and what viscosity they recommend at that temp and get as close to that as possible. If your tracking and consistently run over that temp then i would find a oil that has the same viscosity that normal operating temp requires at those higher temps which is normally a thicker oil. So theoretically you would have normal wear when tracking but would give up protection and drivablity at low temps as that oil would be to thick. Just my .02

04-26-2015, 07:12 PM	#40
Camarotobeornottobe Drives: 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: East Coast Man Posts: 550	Even during the summer, I would appreciate hearing the occasional update on whether you continue to think it an improvement, particularly after some miles and some high heat.

05-26-2015, 04:29 PM	#42
Camarotobeornottobe Drives: 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: East Coast Man Posts: 550	Camaro Dude and/or Blakjak -- you ever make the MTL switch? Curious to your thoughts?