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Emher · 06-20-2011, 01:30 PM

Wow. That's terrible. Unless the stuff under the skin is really really cool, I'm importing a used 2011 when the time comes.

fbodfather · 06-20-2011, 02:21 PM

for what it's worth..........

............every time we make a change - some people absolutely hate it.

I was not a fan when I first saw the lights (separate - not on the car -- some time ago) --- but you might be surprised as to how they grow on you.

Not to beat a dead horse...........

......oh - all right -- why not..........

...........you MAY recall that a whole buncha people "HATED" the SS fascia --

and they HATED the mail slot...............and they HATED the backup lamps...........and they HATED the interior.................and they HATED the B-pillar...........

(.....want me to continue? I have many more examples........)

As always - it's best to see it in person before passing final judgement......

TaylorRyanSS · 06-20-2011, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbodfather

for what it's worth..........

............every time we make a change - some people absolutely hate it.

I was not a fan when I first saw the lights (separate - not on the car -- some time ago) --- but you might be surprised as to how they grow on you.

Not to beat a dead horse...........

......oh - all right -- why not..........

...........you MAY recall that a whole buncha people "HATED" the SS fascia --

and they HATED the mail slot...............and they HATED the backup lamps...........and they HATED the interior.................and they HATED the B-pillar...........

(.....want me to continue? I have many more examples........)

As always - it's best to see it in person before passing final judgement......

I like the euro tail lights. They look futuristic. I wish the reverse lights on ours were worked into the tail lights or rear diffuser somehow.

JetBlackStealth6687 · 06-20-2011, 02:29 PM

a few points

Mirrors: too in your face the clear and obvious turn sig could be better integrated.
Tails: as a general rule, Im a fan of LED tails. However, the led-strip look seems outta place on a Camaro and belong on an Audi. Maybe Chevy could improve them by going with composite internal LED in the housing taillight assembly
Spoiler: It looks more American than any spoiler we have in our own domestic market. Maybe that was the point

ps-gunkie · 06-20-2011, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbodfather

for what it's worth..........

............every time we make a change - some people absolutely hate it.

I was not a fan when I first saw the lights (separate - not on the car -- some time ago) --- but you might be surprised as to how they grow on you.

Not to beat a dead horse...........

......oh - all right -- why not..........

...........you MAY recall that a whole buncha people "HATED" the SS fascia --

and they HATED the mail slot...............and they HATED the backup lamps...........and they HATED the interior.................and they HATED the B-pillar...........

(.....want me to continue? I have many more examples........)

As always - it's best to see it in person before passing final judgement......

This may be true for the taillights, but is it absolutely necessary to add those HUGE side mirrors? I've seen plenty of cars driving around with smaller ones.

fbodfather · 06-20-2011, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ps-gunkie

This may be true for the taillights, but is it absolutely necessary to add those HUGE side mirrors? I've seen plenty of cars driving around with smaller ones.

to meet european standards with lighting - and to pass wind tunnel noise levels - yes.

Sevn86 · 06-20-2011, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IBM

The spoiler

The mirrors

The taillights

CorvetteCamaroLover · 06-20-2011, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbodfather

to meet european standards with lighting - and to pass wind tunnel noise levels - yes.

I can't wait to finally see Camaro's at our local dealership in Helsinki this Autumn.
Thanks fbodfather for dealing with the criticism on this forum and responding with candid reasons why it will be like this. I'm sure there will be plenty of buyers waiting for a Camaro to call their own. Too bad it's going to cost probably 75,000 euro's for an SS. Too much money for the average person to afford due to heavy taxes on big V8 engines cars here.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 06-20-2011, 04:42 PM

Any chance those taillights will ever make it to the US models, Fbodfather?

changprice · 06-20-2011, 04:52 PM

nice pics, camaro rules

MrDew · 06-20-2011, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highlander

you even can get 100 or 101...
so if they (gm) modify the us-version enough and we use the highest octain, the engine should give us some extra bhp

next they have to delete the speed limiter

(i guess it will be limited to 160 mph)

but:
if the dove tail spoiler will give us more down force on the rear axle, will it increase the drag coefficient (cw)? and reduce top speed?

The octane rating is not the same in europe and the states...
In Europe you have RON diplayed and over here it's the AKI which is roughly 4 to 5 points lower... therefore a US 93 is roughly equivalent to a european 97-98

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_...rement_methods

bluetooth-ss · 06-20-2011, 06:56 PM

The spoiler looks good.The tail lights probably grow on you after a while. You could probably see your reflection in those mirrors from the space station. It's still a Camaro so it's all good.

OldJedi · 06-20-2011, 08:11 PM

OK, I understand that the EU requirements need a larger side view mirror, but are side mirrors on the Camaro the same size or larger than other European car models? I see the German MB, Audi, BMW with smaller side mirrors here in the states, do they also have larger mirrors in Europe?

camaro2009 · 06-20-2011, 09:46 PM

tail light, blah. diggin the third gen style spoiler. Mirrors...... come on???

06-20-2011, 01:30 PM	#85
Emher Pillaging Viking Drives: Saab 9-5 '99 (Hey it's a GM!) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,189	Wow. That's terrible. Unless the stuff under the skin is really really cool, I'm importing a used 2011 when the time comes. __________________ "Fifty years from now, when you're looking back at your life, don't you want to be able to say you had the guts to get in the car?"

06-20-2011, 02:21 PM	#86
fbodfather Drives: Camaros................ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Seven Fields, PA (Pittsburgh) Posts: 4,523	for what it's worth.......... ............every time we make a change - some people absolutely hate it. I was not a fan when I first saw the lights (separate - not on the car -- some time ago) --- but you might be surprised as to how they grow on you. Not to beat a dead horse........... ......oh - all right -- why not.......... ...........you MAY recall that a whole buncha people "HATED" the SS fascia -- and they HATED the mail slot...............and they HATED the backup lamps...........and they HATED the interior.................and they HATED the B-pillar........... (.....want me to continue? I have many more examples........) As always - it's best to see it in person before passing final judgement...... __________________

06-20-2011, 02:29 PM	#88
JetBlackStealth6687 Cannot Be Contained Drives: 1999 323i Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 25	a few points Mirrors: too in your face the clear and obvious turn sig could be better integrated. Tails: as a general rule, Im a fan of LED tails. However, the led-strip look seems outta place on a Camaro and belong on an Audi. Maybe Chevy could improve them by going with composite internal LED in the housing taillight assembly Spoiler: It looks more American than any spoiler we have in our own domestic market. Maybe that was the point

06-20-2011, 04:42 PM	#93
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	Any chance those taillights will ever make it to the US models, Fbodfather? __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

06-20-2011, 04:52 PM	#94
changprice Drives: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Miami Posts: 120	nice pics, camaro rules __________________ My Camaro SS feat/specs

06-20-2011, 06:56 PM	#96
bluetooth-ss Drives: 2010 ABM 2SS/RS A6 and 2018 2500 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 2,069	The spoiler looks good.The tail lights probably grow on you after a while. You could probably see your reflection in those mirrors from the space station. It's still a Camaro so it's all good. __________________ BLUETOOTH-SS

06-20-2011, 08:11 PM	#97
OldJedi Use the Force Drives: 2015 Corvette Z51, 2018 Porsche GTS Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Davie, Fl. Posts: 3,862	OK, I understand that the EU requirements need a larger side view mirror, but are side mirrors on the Camaro the same size or larger than other European car models? I see the German MB, Audi, BMW with smaller side mirrors here in the states, do they also have larger mirrors in Europe? __________________ Walk softly, carry a light saber and drive a ZL1!

06-20-2011, 09:46 PM	#98
camaro2009 camaro2009 Drives: 2013 ZL-1 AGM 6M #0369 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Missouri,Hume Posts: 101 View My Garage	tail light, blah. diggin the third gen style spoiler. Mirrors...... come on??? __________________ 2013 Camaro ZL-1 AGM M6 2010 Camaro 2SS CGM with SIM stripes(Traded) 2007 Chevy Duramax Dually LBCC 1974 Camaro Type LT 1995 Camaro Plum V-6 Auto 80k original miles Traded the '10 SS for the BAD ASS 2013 ZL-1 AGM ,M-6 Once again the thanks go out to my wonderful wife and a chance encounter while servicing my Duramax!! Destiny......nope...FATE

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