[JDP Sales]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I don't get why you want to do it, unless you want the looks.

While they claim a HP increase, I think most people who have tested before and after in the real world, got maybe 2-3 HP. The stock airbox does a great job on its own.

We tested the Roto-Fab with the 6th gen Camaro's and it added 14+ HP. Click HERE to see our Dyno results!

Cheers,

Kayla L.
801.545.4215

[Chris C 1SS 1LE]

If or when , ROTOFAB. will be cool with my DIY third tail light flashy flashy relay.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Whocares05050

Wrong...

The burden of proof is on the dealer, not you...

By law this is correct, but by reality this is not the way it will not go and you will have to come out of pocket to prove otherwise.

The dealer can / will likely flag the vehicle making it impossible to have warranty service anywhere on something generic and vague such as having the CAI. GM will refuse to honor the powertrain warranty. You won't be able to do a thing about it unless you take them to court.

Yes the court may turn in your favor and ask GM to PROVE it (where the burden of proof lies on the dealer because up to this point GM / Dealership isn't losing a thing by not proving the issue was or was not related to the CAI.)

By this point (several months down the road) you would have easily wasted $4,000+ is legal fees for attorneys, court, and also time.

Just because something is written in law doesn't necessarily mean said law is going to be enforced outside of your pocket.

[zerovisual]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

By law this is correct, but by reality this is not the way it will not go and you will have to come out of pocket to prove otherwise.

The dealer can / will likely flag the vehicle making it impossible to have warranty service anywhere on something generic and vague such as having the CAI. GM will refuse to honor the powertrain warranty. You won't be able to do a thing about it unless you take them to court.

Yes the court may turn in your favor and ask GM to PROVE it (where the burden of proof lies on the dealer because up to this point GM / Dealership isn't losing a thing by not proving the issue was or was not related to the CAI.)

By this point (several months down the road) you would have easily wasted $4,000+ is legal fees for attorneys, court, and also time.

Just because something is written in law doesn't necessarily mean said law is going to be enforced outside of your pocket.

Things have really changed. I had a 1995 Z28 in college and it had a GM warranty on it. I beat the hell out of that car.. it had a cut-out, MSD ignitions, CIA, performance mode stickers and they still fixed the car under warranty. I took it in several times for broken motors mounts. They even asked if I beat on the car. I mean comeon I was like 20 at the time and a sports car. But they did fix everything.

Now I do not even dare modifying my car because of my warranty. Granted these cars are way more the race car then they were in 1995, but still. I love the car as it sits. I will enjoy it for a few years as it is and then after I am comfortable with it and ready to upgrade I will consider it.

[njweatherman]

2018, 2ss, automatic. I had the K&N Blackhawk installed. I noticed the car is a little louder when accelerating. I did not feel an increase in speed. The one negative is you will hear a whistling noise when accelerating.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by JDP Sales

We tested the Roto-Fab with the 6th gen Camaro's and it added 14+ HP. Click HERE to see our Dyno results!

Cheers,

Kayla L.
801.545.4215

Any gains for a "CAI" are usually at the expense somewhere else within the curve or less torque and that is assuming the dyno runs are valid, vs. "in the noise", when considering such a small % increase. The computer is going to compensate, unless you are changing the tune and exhaust restrictions, it's highly unlikely there is any real difference, if there was, GM would have engineered it like this in the first place.

[Whocares05050]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

By law this is correct, but by reality this is not the way it will not go and you will have to come out of pocket to prove otherwise.

The dealer can / will likely flag the vehicle making it impossible to have warranty service anywhere on something generic and vague such as having the CAI. GM will refuse to honor the powertrain warranty. You won't be able to do a thing about it unless you take them to court.

Yes the court may turn in your favor and ask GM to PROVE it (where the burden of proof lies on the dealer because up to this point GM / Dealership isn't losing a thing by not proving the issue was or was not related to the CAI.)

By this point (several months down the road) you would have easily wasted $4,000+ is legal fees for attorneys, court, and also time.

Just because something is written in law doesn't necessarily mean said law is going to be enforced outside of your pocket.

No, in reality as well. I have personally fought denials and won with zero out of pocket. The dealer has to prove the parts you added were the cause of the failure otherwise they are obligated by law to replace whats wrong if covered by warranty.

By your explanation the world wouldnt go around if every giant company did that. Otherwise everyone would just say " nah, we aint warranting shit. Dont like it? Sue us"

There are consumer protections for a reason. Of course, when we are talking about blown motors.... there could be months to investigate but adding an intake is of little concern...

[SJFGTO]

A CAI may give you a modest seat of the pants increase a best, but not much. Spend the money if you want the look, and Roto Fab looks great with that big open filter. Unless you are adding a a CAI to compliment other mods, including a tune, it is not a good return on investment for your hard earned dollars.

[born-to-fish-]

K&N filter with the factory air box is the best bang for your buck

[mgwarlock]

Change stock to k&n

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Whocares05050

No, in reality as well. I have personally fought denials and won with zero out of pocket. The dealer has to prove the parts you added were the cause of the failure otherwise they are obligated by law to replace whats wrong if covered by warranty.

With consumer protection units, it vary's state to state. Honestly so do Lawyers but consumer protection units typically have very strict guidelines of what they will fight and what they won't... some states may be more lenient than others, Overall though, it still has to be taken to arbitrary (court) if the manufacture refuses / declines to repair and depending on the state, that can take several months up to a year literally just to get scheduled in (as you're dealing with the state and quite possibly a endless queue). With a consumer protection unit, no you won't need to come out of pocket, HOWEVER; most consumer protection units typically only protect certain (very explicit) causes, usually varying state to state, in Georgia or Texas they will honor lemon law claims so long as they fall within specific legal guidelines. They will honor denial of warranty as well IF the case is clear cut and dry (you didn't modify or touch the car and suddenly you pop a piston and the dealer refuses to fix it.), but if the Manufacture pushes back on anything dis-obligatory on your part of the warranty, if even they don't "prove" it, you will need to hire a lawyer as you entered grounds of a legal issue and not a consumer issue.
A consumer issue would be, GM isn't honoring the warranty on an unmodified completely manufacture spec car.
A legal issue would be, The car was modified and needs investigation to determine the point of failure and GM is not falling through on investigating the cause of failure.

Originally Posted by Whocares05050

By your explanation the world wouldnt go around if every giant company did that. Otherwise everyone would just say " nah, we aint warranting shit. Dont like it? Sue us"

There are consumer protections for a reason. Of course, when we are talking about blown motors.... there could be months to investigate but adding an intake is of little concern...

If Manufactures went around denying every warranty claim they could they would not be in business very long as regardless of any consumer protection or the lack there of, people will stop buying from them and word of mouth is powerful when it comes to dissatisfaction on claims which are legitly a manufacturer issue.

Its when you step into that grey area where you're at their mercy without legal action. That is the area where they know they can either step out of legal obligation in a area that won't significantly hurt their reputation. The average consumer does not buy a car to modify. We as enthusiast maybe at best make up 10% of automobile owners, and even fewer of those actually fall through with modding. So to deny a claim of a lower percentile would not hurt GM that much.

[SteevK]

I got a K&N Typhoon (the shiny one) with a blue Spectre cone filter. Wasn't expecting any more power, but it sounds and looks great!

[SteevK]

Originally Posted by njweatherman

2018, 2ss, automatic. I had the K&N Blackhawk installed. I noticed the car is a little louder when accelerating. I did not feel an increase in speed. The one negative is you will hear a whistling noise when accelerating.

If you don't like the whistle, I think there's a spacer for the TB end. I got a Typhoon (I like shiny objects) and it doesn't whistle - I'm using a Spectre filter, so that may make a difference...

[wildchevy]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I don't get why you want to do it, unless you want the looks.

While they claim a HP increase, I think most people who have tested before and after in the real world, got maybe 2-3 HP. The stock airbox does a great job on its own.

Truth