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MerF · 08-06-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by i3litzkrieg

by the way , i LOVE 4th gen , more than the new camaro , im just geting it cuz is new and bears the name camaro , i love the fact the fbody plataform its so unstable you lose the control in every corner i love it!!!!! its quite fun

Quite frankly, just my opinion, but this post is awful.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-06-2007, 11:37 AM

What? No not you MerF...I think that post has about 3 different topics all meshed together...

AFSNightrod · 08-06-2007, 12:21 PM

I have owned two third gens and a fourth gen. I've noticed that typically little stupid things go wrong with these cars that will irk the hell out of you, but in general they won't have any catastrophic failures unless you beat the snot out of them all the time and don't maintain them just like any car. The only serious problem I had with any of these cars is the transmission going out twice in my '89 Formula(the first one went in the mountains in PA at 112k, and the 2nd one went because I had it installed, then beat it to death without the recommended 500 mile adjustment by the people who installed it.). As far as the 5th gen goes, you can't really base reliability on history. This is a completely new car on a completely new chassis. The basic chassis for the previous car lasted from 1982 to 2002 with only minor changes. That does say something. It says that the basic design WORKED. Hopefully the 2009-20?? design works as well. There is 25 years of automotive design and technological advancements since the basic F-body was last released, and 15 years since any major redesign has been made to the F-body platform. The Zeta(I will still call the Camaro version of it an F-body) platform is a completely new setup with years of research invested into it. Also remember, this platform is not just for the Camaro. It is for a number of cars, which is all the more reason to ensure it's reliability before it is released. I think we will be impressed with the new Camaro in that department, but like always, preventive maintenance will help you just as much as a good design will.

MerF · 08-06-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

What? No not you MerF...I think that post has about 3 different topics all meshed together...

Huh? I was simply referring to the post that I quoted being ridiculous.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-06-2007, 03:07 PM

Oh, I just didn't understand it...

*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-06-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AFSNightrod

I have owned two third gens and a fourth gen. I've noticed that typically little stupid things go wrong with these cars that will irk the hell out of you, but in general they won't have any catastrophic failures unless you beat the snot out of them all the time and don't maintain them just like any car. The only serious problem I had with any of these cars is the transmission going out twice in my '89 Formula(the first one went in the mountains in PA at 112k, and the 2nd one went because I had it installed, then beat it to death without the recommended 500 mile adjustment by the people who installed it.). As far as the 5th gen goes, you can't really base reliability on history. This is a completely new car on a completely new chassis. The basic chassis for the previous car lasted from 1982 to 2002 with only minor changes. That does say something. It says that the basic design WORKED. Hopefully the 2009-20?? design works as well. There is 25 years of automotive design and technological advancements since the basic F-body was last released, and 15 years since any major redesign has been made to the F-body platform. The Zeta(I will still call the Camaro version of it an F-body) platform is a completely new setup with years of research invested into it. Also remember, this platform is not just for the Camaro. It is for a number of cars, which is all the more reason to ensure it's reliability before it is released. I think we will be impressed with the new Camaro in that department, but like always, preventive maintenance will help you just as much as a good design will.

AFSNightrod · 08-07-2007, 12:21 AM

It's funny. In the army we have Peventive Maintenance Checks and Services(PMCS). Basically it is a list of things, outlined in a Technical Manual(TM). That you need to check before, during, and after operation, as well as weekly and monthly. Every step is outlined in this manual on what to look for, and what makes the equipment(it's not just for vehicles) non-mission capable(we call it deadlined). If they made up something like this for the everyday civilian automobile it would save a lot of grief for consumers. The auto repair industry would lose some money due to a drop in small repairs due to negligence, but they would be able to increase volume on big(meaning more costly) jobs. and the automakers would have better overall reliability statistics to brag about. Basically everybody wins other than the shyster garages who tell you your fufulator valve is stuck wide open or your tire cylinders are worn out, or charge you to refill your blinker fluid.

*DGthe3* · 08-07-2007, 12:32 AM

I imagine that there's a whole lot that the civilian world can learn from the military. But at the same time, our lives generally don't depend on keeping our vehicles maintained so it gets ignored, even if there were a fully detailed manual dictating what needs to be done when.

AFSNightrod · 08-07-2007, 12:49 AM

True. But it wouldn't hurt for the automakers to include it with a new car.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-07-2007, 12:58 AM

No it wouldn't. I was talking to a buddy of mine, and we agree, that EVERYBODY should be able to show a basic understanding of cars (not just driving), before they issue a license.

An easy example would be this, what's wrong with your car if the brake pedal pulses a little different than it ever has before?

EllwynX · 08-07-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

No it wouldn't. I was talking to a buddy of mine, and we agree, that EVERYBODY should be able to show a basic understanding of cars (not just driving), before they issue a license.

An easy example would be this, what's wrong with your car if the brake pedal pulses a little different than it ever has before?

Ok, I'm willing to give everyone a little laugh if I'm wrong. LOL I admit I know very little about how the car actually works.

This could be 2 possible things I suppose.

First, it's your anti-locks engaging. You feel the brake pedal pulsing as well as a bit of a grinding noise.

But also, in my 1995 Cavalier the brake pedal pulsed badly (at about 50,000 miles) and even the steering wheel wobbled a little. If I remember correctly it was that the brake rotors were warped. That was a different 'pulse' from the anti-locks though.

Like I said, I don't really know about cars like that so don't attack me too bad if I'm WAY off the mark. LOL

EllwynX = Clueless haha

*Mindz* · 08-07-2007, 08:37 AM

both answers would be acceptable. Warped rotors would probably be the best answer. I've driven plenty of friend's cars with that problem.

*TAG UR IT* · 08-07-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mindz

both answers would be acceptable. Warped rotors would probably be the best answer. I've driven plenty of friend's cars with that problem.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-07-2007, 03:44 PM

yeah, that's the answer I expected.

EllwynX, I'm not making fun of you at all, but you were hesitant to answer rotors. Your average driver doesn't even know what a rotor IS...So they'd most likely think, like EllwynX initially did: ABS, and would come to the conclusion: not to worry about it.

I just think that that sort of thing is what we need to eliminate; if your brakes pulse wildly, there's probably something wrong with your car.

08-06-2007, 11:37 AM	#30
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	What? No not you MerF...I think that post has about 3 different topics all meshed together... __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

08-06-2007, 03:07 PM	#33
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	Oh, I just didn't understand it... __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

08-07-2007, 12:58 AM	#38
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	No it wouldn't. I was talking to a buddy of mine, and we agree, that EVERYBODY should be able to show a basic understanding of cars (not just driving), before they issue a license. An easy example would be this, what's wrong with your car if the brake pedal pulses a little different than it ever has before? __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

08-07-2007, 08:37 AM	#40
Mindz E.B.A.H. Drives: you wild... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In the happy padded room wearing a jacket that makes me hug myself... Posts: 18,421	both answers would be acceptable. Warped rotors would probably be the best answer. I've driven plenty of friend's cars with that problem. __________________ Blue Rush, 2010 SS [Car of the Week 3/22/2010] Traded in on...ZLZBUBB, 2013 ZL1

08-07-2007, 03:44 PM	#42
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	yeah, that's the answer I expected. EllwynX, I'm not making fun of you at all, but you were hesitant to answer rotors. Your average driver doesn't even know what a rotor IS...So they'd most likely think, like EllwynX initially did: ABS, and would come to the conclusion: not to worry about it. I just think that that sort of thing is what we need to eliminate; if your brakes pulse wildly, there's probably something wrong with your car. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

08-06-2007, 12:21 PM	#31
AFSNightrod Back in Black Drives: 2005 Cadillac CTS-V Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 326	I have owned two third gens and a fourth gen. I've noticed that typically little stupid things go wrong with these cars that will irk the hell out of you, but in general they won't have any catastrophic failures unless you beat the snot out of them all the time and don't maintain them just like any car. The only serious problem I had with any of these cars is the transmission going out twice in my '89 Formula(the first one went in the mountains in PA at 112k, and the 2nd one went because I had it installed, then beat it to death without the recommended 500 mile adjustment by the people who installed it.). As far as the 5th gen goes, you can't really base reliability on history. This is a completely new car on a completely new chassis. The basic chassis for the previous car lasted from 1982 to 2002 with only minor changes. That does say something. It says that the basic design WORKED. Hopefully the 2009-20?? design works as well. There is 25 years of automotive design and technological advancements since the basic F-body was last released, and 15 years since any major redesign has been made to the F-body platform. The Zeta(I will still call the Camaro version of it an F-body) platform is a completely new setup with years of research invested into it. Also remember, this platform is not just for the Camaro. It is for a number of cars, which is all the more reason to ensure it's reliability before it is released. I think we will be impressed with the new Camaro in that department, but like always, preventive maintenance will help you just as much as a good design will.

08-07-2007, 12:21 AM	#35
AFSNightrod Back in Black Drives: 2005 Cadillac CTS-V Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 326	It's funny. In the army we have Peventive Maintenance Checks and Services(PMCS). Basically it is a list of things, outlined in a Technical Manual(TM). That you need to check before, during, and after operation, as well as weekly and monthly. Every step is outlined in this manual on what to look for, and what makes the equipment(it's not just for vehicles) non-mission capable(we call it deadlined). If they made up something like this for the everyday civilian automobile it would save a lot of grief for consumers. The auto repair industry would lose some money due to a drop in small repairs due to negligence, but they would be able to increase volume on big(meaning more costly) jobs. and the automakers would have better overall reliability statistics to brag about. Basically everybody wins other than the shyster garages who tell you your fufulator valve is stuck wide open or your tire cylinders are worn out, or charge you to refill your blinker fluid.

08-07-2007, 12:32 AM	#36
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	I imagine that there's a whole lot that the civilian world can learn from the military. But at the same time, our lives generally don't depend on keeping our vehicles maintained so it gets ignored, even if there were a fully detailed manual dictating what needs to be done when.

08-07-2007, 12:49 AM	#37
AFSNightrod Back in Black Drives: 2005 Cadillac CTS-V Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 326	True. But it wouldn't hurt for the automakers to include it with a new car.