Evo X v. SS

J_MENIS · 12-28-2017, 07:40 PM

Thoughts on what would win from a roll , a

evo on a big turbo making right around 530whp/380rwtq

or

17 a8 SS - making ball park around 450/450

I understand hp theres a gap, but transmission and tq play a big role too

cmeJATT · 12-28-2017, 07:57 PM

Race him / her and let us know ....

L99BEN · 12-28-2017, 08:06 PM

If the EVO is truly making 530AWH he will easily pull on you form a roll.

The A8 certainly shifts fast and is consistent but will not make up for the 80 hp deficit. I consistently beat my friends A8 SS with my M6 SS from a roll (we are both stock). The A8 advantage is more from a dig like the EVO.

Also keep in mind the EvoX is a good 200 lbs lighter. Are you sure he doesn't have the DSG?

J_MENIS · 12-28-2017, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by L99BEN

If the EVO is truly making 530AWH he will easily pull on you form a roll.

The A8 certainly shifts fast and is consistent but will not make up for the 80 hp deficit. I consistently beat my friends A8 SS with my M6 SS from a roll (we are both stock). The A8 advantage is more from a dig like the EVO.

Also keep in mind the EvoX is a good 200 lbs lighter. Are you sure he doesn't have the DSG?

Well today his car made right around 440whp/340tq. But motor mounts gave up, and his tuner is expecting his car to make 530 or so tomorrow after they fix the motor mounts..

Not sure about DSG.

Will have videos from a runway event in about 2 weeks.

SLO · 12-28-2017, 09:24 PM

530/380 sounds like tuning for the MR? If so, I wouldn't say you have an advantage with the transmission.

I would say almost definitely unless major driver error, the EVO on each run.

JamesNoBrakes · 12-29-2017, 12:30 AM

Wouldn't the Evo pull more torque? 380 seems kind of low for that kind of whp, turbo usually builds torque close to HP number, unlike NA that spins higher to make more HP and possibly sacrificing torque to do so.

Many factors come into play, AWD drag is still a big deal and these cars typically do not do as well on the top end, but down low they can play all day, 0-30 and 0-60 as fast as the blink of an eye or as fast as the guy can shift from 1-2.

Torque is acceleration though, if he's really pulling only 380 torque, you probably have an acceleration advantage, although slight enough that it's anyone's game.

J_MENIS · 12-29-2017, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Wouldn't the Evo pull more torque? 380 seems kind of low for that kind of whp, turbo usually builds torque close to HP number, unlike NA that spins higher to make more HP and possibly sacrificing torque to do so.

Many factors come into play, AWD drag is still a big deal and these cars typically do not do as well on the top end, but down low they can play all day, 0-30 and 0-60 as fast as the blink of an eye or as fast as the guy can shift from 1-2.

Torque is acceleration though, if he's really pulling only 380 torque, you probably have an acceleration advantage, although slight enough that it's anyone's game.

Surprisingly these cars make low tq. Should be around 400 if anything. We’ll see today after he’s done tuning

Spartan268 · 12-29-2017, 12:27 PM

He should pull on you without a doubt. Unless if he royally ****s up cause he's not use to the power.

MP3BOOSTED · 12-29-2017, 12:44 PM

Watch driven lifestyle on YouTube, has a similar race he just posted up

J_MENIS · 12-29-2017, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MP3BOOSTED

Watch driven lifestyle on YouTube, has a similar race he just posted up

Wow camaro did a lot better than I expected.

https://youtu.be/dHEp5YE2tC4

Clin5910 · 12-29-2017, 03:48 PM

So the Evo pulls about half a car at each shift but then when it grabs what looks like fourth gear it falls on its face and the camaro goes around it

Need4Camaro · 12-29-2017, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by J_MENIS

Wow camaro did a lot better than I expected.

https://youtu.be/dHEp5YE2tC4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clin5910

So the Evo pulls about half a car at each shift but then when it grabs what looks like fourth gear it falls on its face and the camaro goes around it

I think in this instance its because it only makes below 400 TQ and has to rev real high to make 500+ HP and at those speeds he literally doesnt have enough torque to beat the Camaro to its own powerband.

JamesNoBrakes · 12-29-2017, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by J_MENIS

Surprisingly these cars make low tq. Should be around 400 if anything. We’ll see today after he’s done tuning

If the turbo is too small, that could be it, however, 500hp takes an aftermarket bigger turbo in the first place.

Matos1LE · 12-29-2017, 09:51 PM

AWDs are tricky to launch, especially with big power. Few months back, a guy showed up to PBIR (Palm Beach International Raceway) with an Evo he bought, fully built with 1100 hp. A grandma in a minivan could have outdone him on the launch. Ran dismal times too. Run him and see what happens, should be fun regardless of the outcome.

12-28-2017, 07:40 PM	#1
J_MENIS Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: San Francisco Posts: 128	Evo X v. SS Thoughts on what would win from a roll , a evo on a big turbo making right around 530whp/380rwtq or 17 a8 SS - making ball park around 450/450 I understand hp theres a gap, but transmission and tq play a big role too

12-28-2017, 08:06 PM	#3
L99BEN Drives: 2023 BMW M4 Competition Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: USA Posts: 657	If the EVO is truly making 530AWH he will easily pull on you form a roll. The A8 certainly shifts fast and is consistent but will not make up for the 80 hp deficit. I consistently beat my friends A8 SS with my M6 SS from a roll (we are both stock). The A8 advantage is more from a dig like the EVO. Also keep in mind the EvoX is a good 200 lbs lighter. Are you sure he doesn't have the DSG? __________________ 2023 BMW M4 Competition (daily) 2022 ZLE M6 (weekend toy) 2022 BMW X3m40i Past: 2022 Tesla S Plaid 2020 Shelby GT500 sold 2019 Hellcat Redeye-traded for new GT500 2019 ZL1 A10 - sold (meh) 2019 Tesla M3P 2016 Hellcat Challenger - A8 sold but never forgotten 2016 Camaro 2SS M6 2014 Mustang GT A6 2012 Mustang GT M6 "brembo" 3.73/FBO 2012 Camaro SS L99 (Wife's)- slow Last edited by L99BEN; 12-28-2017 at 08:25 PM.

12-28-2017, 09:24 PM	#5
SLO Drives: Slo'ly Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Denver Posts: 138	530/380 sounds like tuning for the MR? If so, I wouldn't say you have an advantage with the transmission. I would say almost definitely unless major driver error, the EVO on each run. __________________ My 7 year old playing pool against Shane VanBoening GyroCam with GoPro4 setup on track

12-29-2017, 12:44 PM	#9
MP3BOOSTED Drives: 2017 Camaro SS 1LE (F1A-94 FBO H/C) Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 843	Watch driven lifestyle on YouTube, has a similar race he just posted up __________________ Performance Mods: F1A-94, DSX Flex Fuel Kit, MSD Spark Plug Wires, KOOK 2" off road headers, MBRP Race catback exhaust, Pray Performance Custom Boost Cam, Rocker Arm Trunion Upgrade Kit, 7.850" Hardened Chromemoly Length Pushrods and Johnson Racing 2110R Lifters, TSP CNC'd Heads, Ported MSD intake manifold, 103mm Katech Throttle body, Forged Pistons/Rods, RPM Meth kit, DSX Aux Fuel system, AEM Failsafe and banks gauge, LT4 HPFP, LT4 injectors, BMR motor mounts, Hurst Short Throw, Manley SS exhaust valves Videos of my car? Check here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNi...Qy1OL4NVGlPogw

12-28-2017, 07:57 PM	#2
cmeJATT Drives: SS-6-SPD Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,364	Race him / her and let us know ....

12-29-2017, 12:30 AM	#6
JamesNoBrakes Drives: 2SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: AK Posts: 2,300	Wouldn't the Evo pull more torque? 380 seems kind of low for that kind of whp, turbo usually builds torque close to HP number, unlike NA that spins higher to make more HP and possibly sacrificing torque to do so. Many factors come into play, AWD drag is still a big deal and these cars typically do not do as well on the top end, but down low they can play all day, 0-30 and 0-60 as fast as the blink of an eye or as fast as the guy can shift from 1-2. Torque is acceleration though, if he's really pulling only 380 torque, you probably have an acceleration advantage, although slight enough that it's anyone's game.

12-29-2017, 12:27 PM	#8
Spartan268 Drives: HB 2SS Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 518	He should pull on you without a doubt. Unless if he royally ****s up cause he's not use to the power.

12-29-2017, 03:48 PM	#11
Clin5910 Drives: 2016 2ss, whipple supercharged Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 76	So the Evo pulls about half a car at each shift but then when it grabs what looks like fourth gear it falls on its face and the camaro goes around it

12-29-2017, 09:51 PM	#14
Matos1LE Drives: SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Miami Posts: 321	AWDs are tricky to launch, especially with big power. Few months back, a guy showed up to PBIR (Palm Beach International Raceway) with an Evo he bought, fully built with 1100 hp. A grandma in a minivan could have outdone him on the launch. Ran dismal times too. Run him and see what happens, should be fun regardless of the outcome.

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