[DaveC113]

The frunk will be taken up by the hybrid system driving the front wheels in the top end spec...

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I like the golf club stat lol. I also find it funny the mid engine C8 can fit two full sets of clubs and the Camaro cant fit 1.

I don't know what Camaro you're talking about. I've loaded my Camaro up with a 4-gun gun cart, 3 rifles, 3 shotguns, 6 revolvers, 2,000 rounds of ammo, a big range bag, a canvas tool bag, 3 sets of belts and holsters, 3 cowboy hats and an overnight bag (large) and still had room for my wife, me and my middle son to go on a 4 hour road trip, comfortably.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I don't know what Camaro you're talking about. I've loaded my Camaro up with a 4-gun gun cart, 3 rifles, 3 shotguns, 6 revolvers, 2,000 rounds of ammo, a big range bag, a canvas tool bag, 3 sets of belts and holsters, 3 cowboy hats and an overnight bag (large) and still had room for my wife, me and my middle son to go on a 4 hour road trip, comfortably.

It's well documented here that a golf bag with a standard size driver doesn't fit in the trunk of a Camaro. Driver needs to be removed from the bag

[Doc]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

My gripe since they first shown the C8 was there was not enough info on performance numbers . I would like to know at least how they achieved the sub 3 seconds 0 to 60 times . Almost everyone I talked to about the C8 believes it’s a sub 3 second car for under $60k . That whole show they put on was just a bunch of crap really, I all got from it was it can hold two sets of golf clubs and everything else is unknown. Kinda shady if you ask me .

I doubt seriously that it has anything to do with being shady, more likely it's because the numbers are still in flux; they're still working on fine-tuning them. You can be sure as soon as they have hard, fixed numbers they can brag about, they will.

I think the misunderstanding about sub 3 seconds was the way it was worded, it was something like "...with models below 3 seconds..." or something to that effect. It didn't say the base model would, just "models" which means more powerful ones that haven't been announced yet, and aren't going to be below $60k.

The only way the base model could get below 3 seconds 0-60 is through gearing in the transaxle. It's the same trick guys use with front engine drive, where they change the gear ratio in the differential. The C8 transaxle is both the trans and the diff, so it's possible they could do some tricks with gearing. They may even be still testing and playing around with gear ratios, trying to find the ideal combo which would explain why they haven't given final numbers yet.

The vast majority of people who are going to buy these, could probably care less about these details. Only enthusiasts do, and I predict it won't have any effect on sales. Unless manufacturing screws it up, it appears the Corvette team has hit a grand slam home run.

[Wyzz Kydd]

I get a kick out of all the hypothesizing on here. Nobody knows what this car will do except the few people who've driven one on a track, and maybe not them. You can guesstimate all you want about hp losses, weight, extrapolating what the 1/4 mile time might be based on what 0-60 is. Bottom line nobody knows and GM ain't providing the numbers. Read into that what you will.

For my money if they really wanted a supercar they wouldn't drop an engine developing less than 500 hp into it and then rely on improved efficiencies to get supercar performance. Why not just slap a supercharger on it and get closer to 600 hp AND all these supposed efficiencies? It's not like they don't have the parts bin to yank that stuff out of. I think it's because the supercharger is a big part to the problems C7s had with overheating.

Speaking of which, I predict the C8 will have the same problem C7s do on the track. Overheating. The C7 can't get proper air flow due to that tight front end, and I don't see a lot of opportunities to get air to this engine either. Dropping the supercharger will probably help, but they should have trashed the Roots and put in a Whipple. Then maybe you have a supercar.

[396ssrat]

A local Chevy dealer sold all 90 of their 2020 Corvette allocations in a 31 minute time frame, all at MSRP so it's going to be a while before people get their new cars. While the C8 is a game changer for that class of vehicle it offers and opportunit for Chevy to improve the appeal of the Camaro to the masses. I
hope they take advantage of it but I am beginning to have concern about the direction of GM. The Corvette is a great reference to how to make a car people want. If you build what people want, they will buy it but keep production here not in China.

[Baldilocks01SS]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I get a kick out of all the hypothesizing on here. Nobody knows what this car will do except the few people who've driven one on a track, and maybe not them. You can guesstimate all you want about hp losses, weight, extrapolating what the 1/4 mile time might be based on what 0-60 is. Bottom line nobody knows and GM ain't providing the numbers. Read into that what you will.

For my money if they really wanted a supercar they wouldn't drop an engine developing less than 500 hp into it and then rely on improved efficiencies to get supercar performance. Why not just slap a supercharger on it and get closer to 600 hp AND all these supposed efficiencies? It's not like they don't have the parts bin to yank that stuff out of. I think it's because the supercharger is a big part to the problems C7s had with overheating.

Speaking of which, I predict the C8 will have the same problem C7s do on the track. Overheating. The C7 can't get proper air flow due to that tight front end, and I don't see a lot of opportunities to get air to this engine either. Dropping the supercharger will probably help, but they should have trashed the Roots and put in a Whipple. Then maybe you have a supercar.

This is the BASE car. Just imagine what the mid and top tier performers will do.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

This is the BASE car. Just imagine what the mid and top tier performers will do.

It's all imagining right now. We're just taking GM's word for it that it will do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. This is not the base either. It's the base with an upgrade. That's like saying my 1LE is a base SS.

[undy]

The claimed "sub 3 seconds" was accomplished with the Z51 package. There's been several reports that the sub 3 second has equated to a 2.8 sec. The Z51 package offers a 3.80 ratio E-diff versus the base car's 3.61 ratio limited slip. Also responsible for the better time is 5 more HP/torque (accomplished with true headers and bi-modal exhaust) and much stickier tires. The rest are better brakes, a HD cooling system, spoiler and splitter.

[Bobkd]

Originally Posted by undy

The claimed "sub 3 seconds" was accomplished with the Z51 package. There's been several reports that the sub 3 second has equated to a 2.8 sec. The Z51 package offers a 3.80 ratio E-diff versus the base car's 3.61 ratio limited slip. Also responsible for the better time is 5 more HP/torque (accomplished with true headers and bi-modal exhaust) and much stickier tires. The rest are better brakes, a HD cooling system, spoiler and splitter.

Factory option headers is pretty cool. I'm surprised they went that far for the 5 horsepower.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by undy

The claimed "sub 3 seconds" was accomplished with the Z51 package. There's been several reports that the sub 3 second has equated to a 2.8 sec. The Z51 package offers a 3.80 ratio E-diff versus the base car's 3.61 ratio limited slip

http://www.tremec.com/anexos/TREMEC_TR-9070.pdf


The Z51 is a road race trans it may have closer gear ratios and hence needs a steeper final drive to offer the same overall performance… not MORE performance
3.24 x 3.62 = 11.73 and 3.14x 3.8 =11.93 that is sub 2% right??? or 1 MPH difference per the same engine RPM...


5 HP is for a muffler valve IMO

[undy]

Originally Posted by oldman

http://www.tremec.com/anexos/TREMEC_TR-9070.pdf


The Z51 is a road race trans it may have closer gear ratios and hence needs a steeper final drive to offer the same overall performance… not MORE performance
3.24 x 3.62 = 11.73 and 3.14x 3.8 =11.93 that is sub 2% right??? or 1 MPH difference per the same engine RPM...


5 HP is for a muffler valve IMO

It's an 8 speed DCT tranny, not 7.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...h-transmission.

The Z51 has the tubular equal length headers VS to base model's cast iron manifolds. That makes the MOST difference on the 5HP increase.

https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-te...but-different/

I have one on order and have done a ton of research.

[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

Some of you are failing to realize that when the DCT changes gears, it does so WITHOUT a loss of power. THIS is why it will out accelerate a similarly equipped vehicle that is using a conventional transmission. Like someone stated before, you need to change your way of thinking. This is why my AWD 3600 lb, 470 WHP Golf R can run 3 second 0-60 times and run 10.8 quarter miles.

Some of us realize the A10 switches gears faster than the PDK DCT.

Some of us also realize the golf R gets its acceleration performance with improved tire grip from AWD, not just a DCT.

Those of us who are failing to realize how tire-to-road friction relates to 0-60 times need to watch this:

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by oldman

http://www.tremec.com/anexos/TREMEC_TR-9070.pdf


The Z51 is a road race trans it may have closer gear ratios and hence needs a steeper final drive to offer the same overall performance… not MORE performance
3.24 x 3.62 = 11.73 and 3.14x 3.8 =11.93 that is sub 2% right??? or 1 MPH difference per the same engine RPM...


5 HP is for a muffler valve IMO

Most likely it has the same ratios besides the final drive. The FD difference is all GM has mentioned for it as well as far as I've seen.

And there would be zero reason to change ratios to offset the shorter final drive. Literally no reason. If they did so why bother changing it at all...