Shno's House of Z

[Number 3]

So from what we know today, are you more excited, less excited or unchanged on the Z/28?

We only have one thing left and that's price.

I think the failure thus far was posting a time and then going, "but it's really faster".

Thus far I don't see anything to make me think less of the car. It's only a question of affordability relative to the C7. I am pretty sure the C7 Z06/07 will be unobtainium for my wallet.

[JusticePete]

A media outlet mat have told GM they were running a story on the lap time with or without input and GM decided it was best to get ahead of the story.

Maybe the project is behind with Ring runs. TEAM Camaro is going to be running the Z/28 with various media outlets over the fall and winter so they didn't have the luxury of waiting for spring to come and another Ring run.

My excitement level has not changed. I think the Z/28 is a great car and a showcase for TEAM Camaro. The closer it gets to production, the more excited I'll be. I can't wait to get my hands on one to do our own before and after.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So from what we know today, are you more excited, less excited or unchanged on the Z/28?

We only have one thing left and that's price.

I think the failure thus far was posting a time and then going, "but it's really faster".

Thus far I don't see anything to make me think less of the car. It's only a question of affordability relative to the C7. I am pretty sure the C7 Z06/07 will be unobtainium for my wallet.

I'm excited that it's becoming more and more a reality after all the years of our conversations regarding it. I concur with the rest of your comments. I do wish that a Z51 widebody was available (ala GS).

[Bhobbs]

I'm still excited for the car. In stock form, it's a beast but when it gets in people's hands and they start throwing cams and long tubes on, it will be a hell of a car.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

The ZL1 brakes are quite good and can handle by my guestimate about 10 laps before they begin to fade away if the driver is running hard. The inter-cooler is pretty effective, but at some point on track heat soak will become an issue. In a 25 lap event at the Ring the Z/28 brakes will be the same on lap 3 as they are on lap 25 or 50. Why lap 3? CC brakes love heat. Based on brakes alone the Z/28 would win by a significant margin. All LS motors are furnaces. The LS7 should hold more off the baseline HP longer than the LSA in the ZL1.

Add CC brakes and 305 rubber to the ZL1 and the ZL1 gets faster. More from the tires than the brakes. CC brakes on the ZL1 will eliminate brake fade for the longer runs. The ZL1 gains 5 seconds on the Z/28.

Tires. The Z/28 runs Trofeo 305/30/19s. The Z/28 with less nose weight and lighter overall will be easier on tires. The last five laps will be telling. The hotter greasier tires on the ZL1 will slow the ZL1 down. While the ZL1 tires are fading the Z/28 drop off will not be as great. The Z/28 pull away on each of the last five laps for no other reason than tires.

There are other differences. The Z/28 aero creates down force and increases corning speeds. The ZL1 aero is more about preventing lioft than creating down force.

The Z/28 differential is intended for road course work. The ZL1 cast iron diff is tough as nails, but not as good at putting power down in the corners.

Two very competent automobiles. One is a hybrid grand touring / muscle car. The other is a hybrid track / street car. Both are at the top of thier class

...great info Pete, thanks for the insight. Clear, complete, and concise! Excellent post.....

[JusticePete]

Even a blind pig gets lucky and finds some corn now and again.

[tramtwo]

It is awesome to be related to the Z! I love when Al talks about it he uses words like; angry, and bad ass.

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[OldScoolCamaro]

...up north we say a blind squirrel gets lucky and finds a nut once in a while....., cool phrase....

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

...up north we say a blind squirrel gets lucky and finds a nut once in a while....., cool phrase....

as is In Scott we TRUST

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

as is In Scott we TRUST

Amen brother! Scott is the foundation of Camaro faith and product development. No doubdt.

[blufin]

Originally Posted by *007

If you are a weekend warrior you are not going to run stock tires on it. You ARE going to put a helmet on. You are going to put good gas in it. You are going to belt yourself in. You ARE going to compete. If you truly are a competitor. You're not going to run weak tires, etc. GM stripped it down and jacked up the price based on speed based on reduced weight? OK. I get it. Put some good tires on the ZL1 for a decent comp. Fair? Nothing against the new edition either. Just saying lets compare when/can with simple tire equality. Then lets see if the weight reduction, engine, and rotor setup really cleans up the "Legend" or not.

PS: Just a response to above comments.... seems like he is focused on the ZL1. The z28 is still DYNOMITE!

I'm not really focused on the ZL1. I was just commenting about what someone said earlier that the 3.8 second advantage the Z/28 had over the ZL1 wasn't really worth the extra cost. To some, it is.

I guess during a longer run, like the 25 or 50 lap race I mentioned, that 3.8 second advantage will grow as the ZL1 brakes begin to fade and the car begins to heatsoak. That 3.8 second advantage could grow exponentially.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by blufin

I'm not really focused on the ZL1. I was just commenting about what someone said earlier that the 3.8 second advantage the Z/28 had over the ZL1 wasn't really worth the extra cost. To some, it is.

I guess during a longer run, like the 25 or 50 lap race I mentioned, that 3.8 second advantage will grow as the ZL1 brakes begin to fade and the car begins to heatsoak. That 3.8 second advantage could grow exponentially.

Go back and read some more, that 3.8 second advantage was only on the video "rain affected" run, they turned a much faster lap on a dry track down around 7:31. So closer to a 10 second advantage per lap for the Z/28 without even thinking about heat soak and brake fade. And we're thinking they might even get it down in to the 7:30 range.
Clyde.

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Even a blind pig gets lucky and finds some corn now and again.

Now Pete, you're being a little too humble..

I think you're gonna have to lick that calf over.


[ DOWN HOME COLLOQUIALISM FIGHT ! ]




By the way, I'm loving the excitement. My guestimate is a 7:30.xx for the Z and 7:29ish for the C7z.

Eventually...

[*007]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Let's be more complete in our thinking. He mentioned 25 & 50 laps. There's more to it than tires when your going to do 25 or 50 laps.

Your comment is just a distraction from the issue I mentioned. Nice try tho.