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01-25-2024, 09:54 AM | #114 | |
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We’ll leave it at that. For both our sake.
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01-25-2024, 10:04 AM | #115 | |
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We are about a minute from BYD announcing a US plant. I believe they just announced in Mexico and Europe. And they have passed Tesla as the worlds largest (volume) EV manufacturer. And even then, we don't charge much for import taxes so maybe they just ship them from Mexico. And if you want to get really nervous, go out and find some reviews of their cars. And the one thing Biden did was ensure if you want the $7,500 tax credit, batteries have to be made here. But farrrr more concerning than battery production is pharmaceuticals. But that's for a different website. Also, and maybe you didn't intend to, but calling the poster a "low IQ" for 100% EV isn't really necessary. Let try to keep Camaro5/6 more civil than the rest of the internet.
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01-25-2024, 10:39 AM | #116 |
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Originally Posted by Texas1ss View Post
I hear you. When electric vehicles first got targeted, it was IMO a lot more about how expensive they were, jealousy, and people just being petty. After right-wing media's relentless bashing of EVs over the years, I have a feeling most of the EV haters are "drill, baby drill" idiots who have been brainwashed by misinformation and nonsense from the very people who profit off their stupidity. "Idiots" You were saying about keeping it civil?
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01-25-2024, 11:52 AM | #118 |
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I think Teslas kinda resemble Saturns. Or what a Saturn would look like if they were still in production. Mostly because of the bubble roof profile.
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01-25-2024, 12:37 PM | #119 | |
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I have no desire to live like a Chinese citizen, so yes, I GIVE A CRAP.
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01-25-2024, 12:43 PM | #120 |
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Camaro cost more than competition... i'm OK wit that, it WAS a better car.
I am not brand loyal, I buy on bang for the buck and in 2018, Camaro was king.
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01-25-2024, 03:21 PM | #121 | |
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My comparison was going from horse and buggy to automobiles over a period of years, or even decades possibly, and how many people are being lied to and scared into believing nonsense from the right-wing media who has a vested interest in big oil and misleading their audience. And that's what you posted. I've seen that talking point before. In the short term where the batteries are made it makes sense, but in the long-run it's smoke and mirrors. Surely you don't think the CCP once EVs become the norm will be the only producer of EV batteries for the world. That's not going to happen. Production will be moving here, provide thousands, if not millions of jobs, and not let our country be run by a gang of oil thugs who manipulate prices by "drill baby drill" or cutting production at their whim to line their pockets. |
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It's funny to see you make guesses regarding the future of EV production while ignoring the current reality of global production and material sourcing.
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01-25-2024, 04:01 PM | #124 | |
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LG Energy, Samsung SDI, and SK On are major battery suppliers based in S. Korea. All also have wholly owned or JV operations in the US. CATL and BYD are the big dogs battery wise in China. Both are in the process of negotiating JVs with US automakers and/or battery manufacturers in order to produce batteries in the US and/or Mexico. Then there are homegrown battery manufacturers like Our Next Energy (ONE), A123, and (love ‘em or hate ‘em) Tesla. And there’s also a handful of startup battery companies on the horizon that stand to benefit from the provisions in the IRA that require US or friendly trade partner status to qualify for the incentive. The layer that has yet to be unpeeled is that at the mineral processing and anode and cathode fabrication level, more capability and capacity has to be established outside of China. That is in process, but not readily available yet and is the reason why some of the vehicles that qualified for IRA in 2023 do not (yet) qualify in 2024. Because the % thresholds for minerals and components increased and OEMs have to work out their sourcing of minerals and components to regain qualification.
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Having lived through the Roger B. years I say he is probably the most responsible for the malaise leading up to the fall. The guys between him and Waggoner (I've said enough about my love for him) were handed a steaming pile and did what they could. Thank heavens for trucks.
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01-25-2024, 07:16 PM | #126 |
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I care too, but it’s likely just you and me.
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