[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Excuses excuses sounds like political parties bickering. The 6th Gen has been plagued with poor sales for a brand new design since it was introduced. If anyone in this forum thinks this is going to change anytime soon you are crazy. When you can't even beat out a 9+ yro model. Or your direct competition when it is known there is a much improved model due shortly in the GT you have major issues. Let's have this conversation again once the new GT hits the lots.

Excuses? So you're saying Chevy wanted another 1/3 volume in the form of rental cars and couldn't get it? You're funny.

Retail ATP's July 2017 (JDPin)
Camaro: $39,578
Challenger: $37,301
Mustang: $35,653

Retail Sales July 2017
Mustang: 4,592
Camaro: 4,525
Challenger: 3,786

Retail ATP's YTD 2017 (JDPin)
Camaro: $40,011
Challenger: $37,299
Mustang: $36,214

Retail Sales YTD 2017
Camaro: 38,264
Mustang: 34,935
Challenger: 27,488

[UK Basketball Rocks]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

The V6 Mustang existed for fleet sales. Ford treated it like a red-headed stepchild regarding retail sales. We'll see how Ford handles fleet sales going forward since the V6 is gone. My guess is that they will decrease Mustang fleet sales like GM is doing.

You said it right: "Your guessing".

[UK Basketball Rocks]

Originally Posted by camaro5

Money talks - Mustang owners walk.


Taste some of this, then go troll yourself:


Spin that horsey

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Ford is #1 in sales in the USA for some reason. So your just knocking Ford for what reason?

[UK Basketball Rocks]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Excuses excuses sounds like political parties bickering. The 6th Gen has been plagued with poor sales for a brand new design since it was introduced. If anyone in this forum thinks this is going to change anytime soon you are crazy. When you can't even beat out a 9+ yro model. Or your direct competition when it is known there is a much improved model due shortly in the GT you have major issues. Let's have this conversation again once the new GT hits the lots.

GM also better look out, their about to lose 2nd place in the pickup truck sales race to the Dodge Ram, with Ford still comfortably way out front.

Wait until the new Ford Ranger hits the lots, it will be a knockout blow to the overpriced Colorado.

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by UK Basketball Rocks

You said it right: "Your guessing".

"Your guessing" should not be in quotation marks. It is not a direct quote from my post. Bad grammar, too.

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by UK Basketball Rocks

Ford is #1 in sales in the USA for some reason. So your just knocking Ford for what reason?

GM still number one in sales. Ford Motor Company got KO'd last month by Toyota in total sales.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Yet fleet sales continue to hold steady. FoMoCo wouldn't exist without it. High content international sales? hahhahahaha FoMoCo barely brakes even ex-US. There are no profits coming in from overseas relative to US market and Financial Services income.



One quarter does not a trend make. FoMoCo is in dire straights - just canned the CEO and these Q2 earnings were driven by foreign tax credits. GM won't have Opel dragging down profitability in 2017. Expect GM to post double the profit of FoMoCo again this year.

To the overseas profits, I was speaking to those from Mustang specifically, because that's a part of what this thread is about. The cars sold in other countries are sold with a lot more of what are options here, as standard. So those transactions would return much more profit than base models.

Also you say 1 in 3 Mustangs is rental, does that include the foreign cars? If not, why, as these cars are built right alongside their domestic brethren. Their generated profits go into the same coffers as the US sold units.

[UK Basketball Rocks]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

GM still number one in sales. Ford Motor Company got KO'd last month by Toyota in total sales.

GM as a whole probably outsells Ford, Ford doesnt count Lincoln and its other companies to puff itself up. GM uses, Chevy, GMC, Cadillac, Buick and whatever else they make. Count Chevy vs Ford then you see the actual sales count and as for Toyota, if you think Ford sells alot of fleet, Toyota sells to anyone and everyone including isis.

[UK Basketball Rocks]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

"Your guessing" should not be in quotation marks. It is not a direct quote from my post. Bad grammar, too.

I will put whatever I want in quotation marks, just get your facts straight about GM and Ford. I drive a Camaro and have owned quite a few but I dont have to puff up GM to make myself feel good for driving a Camaro.

[68fbjjz109]

Originally Posted by UK Basketball Rocks

GM also better look out, their about to lose 2nd place in the pickup truck sales race to the Dodge Ram, with Ford still comfortably way out front.

Wait until the new Ford Ranger hits the lots, it will be a knockout blow to the overpriced Colorado.

GM has more than the Ranger to worry about.

The JT Jeep comes out within the same time frame. Jeep is like Apple products. It can be complete shit and people will still buy it. However the new JL, and JT will offer alot, and they have made alot of improvements to the vehicle which should only improve it's standing in the market.

More on topic.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ts-the-camaro/

This is from a former GM Executive. Personally, I love the Camaro from and engineering standpoint. We have have a 2ss for benchmarking at work and it gets alot of traction for a wide variety of reasons. The Alpha platform in general is well done, and there is alot of effort put into it and it shows. I just wish if they wanted to stay retro, they looked to the 2nd gen more.

[UK Basketball Rocks]

Originally Posted by 68fbjjz109

GM has more than the Ranger to worry about.

The JT Jeep comes out within the same time frame.

I heard about that but it wont touch Ford Ranger I dont think. But who knows. The Colorado is overpriced, hell you can get a nice Silverado for the same or less money than a Colorado.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by UK Basketball Rocks

Ford is #1 in sales in the USA for some reason. So your just knocking Ford for what reason?

Wrong again!! Just talking sh!t.

And you're supporting Ford on a Camaro site?

For what reason?

Ford Motor Company’s U.S. sales were down 7.5

percent in July, with sales of 200,212 vehicles

http://shareholder.ford.com/~/media/...es-release.pdf

General Motors (NYSE: GM) today reported July U.S. retail sales of 202,220 vehicles

http://www.gm.com/investors/sales/us...roduction.html

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Excuses excuses sounds like political parties bickering. The 6th Gen has been plagued with poor sales for a brand new design since it was introduced. If anyone in this forum thinks this is going to change anytime soon you are crazy. When you can't even beat out a 9+ yro model. Or your direct competition when it is known there is a much improved model due shortly in the GT you have major issues. Let's have this conversation again once the new GT hits the lots.

General Motors' profit soared on a year-over-year basis,

whereas Ford reported a steep decline in earnings.

Additionally, GM expects its full year earnings to be roughly in line with last year's record profit, whereas

Ford is calling for a step down in profit this year.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/...s-profits.aspx

Reality is calling. Cash is King.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by UK Basketball Rocks

I will put whatever I want in quotation marks, just get your facts straight about GM and Ford. I drive a Camaro and have owned quite a few but I dont have to puff up GM to make myself feel good for driving a Camaro.

What were those sales numbers? Very important to get facts straight! How dare they.

Ford Motor Company’s U.S. sales were down 7.5
percent in July, with sales of 200,212 vehicles

http://shareholder.ford.com/~/media/...es-release.pdf

General Motors (NYSE: GM) today reported July U.S. retail sales of 202,220 vehicles

http://www.gm.com/investors/sales/us...roduction.html