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JHart · 06-08-2012, 11:46 PM

ugh, a 4 page arguement over a throttle body spacer, g'lord. lol.

axis · 06-08-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

I see that you don't...

Then enlighten us.

The Stig · 06-09-2012, 06:38 AM

How about we all agree to keep quiet as to whether the super wedge works or not until we actually have them on our cars.

IndeedSS1 · 06-09-2012, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stieger

How about we all agree to keep quiet as to whether the super wedge works or not until we actually have them on our cars.

Anyone, other than those with them, is only guessing anyway.

Coyotekiller · 06-09-2012, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by axis

Then enlighten us.

When a wing cuts thru the air the upper portion of the wing surface creates lift by making a negative pressure zone just above the wing surface. The throttle body blade in the camaro is doing pretty much the same thing and creating a negative pressure zone above it. This negative pressure zone can create a slowing down of the intake air and restrict your intake flow. It makes perfect sense that if you turn the blade flat that the restriction will diminish and you will get better flow.

litle88 · 06-09-2012, 07:50 AM

^^^^^^LMAO^^^^^^

And you know this because you already seen this in the "wind tunnel"?!

Are air speeds in the intake that high? Really? Negative lift hu?

Yea ok.

Coyotekiller · 06-09-2012, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by litle88

^^^^^^LMAO^^^^^^

And you know this because you already seen this in the "wind tunnel"?!

Are air speeds in the intake that high? Really? Negative lift hu?

Yea ok.

No not negative lift. Negative pressure. You appear to know absolutely nothing about this intake system or about fluid dynamics at all so please, please quit posting. Your dragging us down.

litle88 · 06-09-2012, 07:57 AM

And what proof do you have this is what is happening inside these intakes or are you just guessing?

Coyotekiller · 06-09-2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by litle88

And what proof do you have this is what is happening inside these intakes or are you just guessing?

I'm just guessing but mine is an educated guess. I went to school for this kinda stuff.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 06-09-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

I'm just guessing but mine is an educated guess. I went to school for this kinda stuff.

Coyotekiller Dont get into with him its not worth your time, There are lots of things you can do to help get all the power out of a LS3 and i know Vararam is working on them all in time you will get to see them all.

I will get some more data soon and its up to you if you trust it or not.( form a independent shop)

IndeedSS1 · 06-09-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

I'm just guessing but mine is an educated guess. I went to school for this kinda stuff.

At least you are providing something of substance

Coyotekiller · 06-09-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by IndeedSS1

At least you are providing something of substance

I try. I personally think this part is a pretty good design to fix a slight problem. If priced appropriately, I will be picking one of these up when they become available.

BronxxBombers213 · 06-09-2012, 08:49 AM

what im thinking:

yes the blade will now be closer to 90* angle.. increasing airflow around the butterfly...

but now that youre tilting the whole thing, youre reducing airflow at the top and bottom of the throttle body, because now that angle will be off, while the butterfly is straight

the before and after in my head would be more like this to me... could be wrong?

excuse my poor demonstration, but bored at work lol heres what I mean... now, after this change, yes, the butterfly is straight through, but the TB as a whole isnt... My thoughts are that the restriction you will get at the top of the opening, will actually offset these gains?? again, this is my thinking.. however, when its proven, I will be in for one as well

I did not move the card and the cup for these pics... just changed the angle of my hand

before: butterfly at an angle, but TB as a whole straight through

After: butterfly straight through, TB at an angle

IndeedSS1 · 06-09-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BronxxBombers213

what im thinking:

yes the blade will now be closer to 90* angle.. increasing airflow around the butterfly...

but now that youre tilting the whole thing, youre reducing airflow at the top and bottom of the throttle body, because now that angle will be off, while the butterfly is straight

the before and after in my head would be more like this to me... could be wrong?

I'm only guessing but don't believe that representation is correct. That said, even if it were, wouldn't that create a more ideal pattern than a restriction in the middle?

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litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	^^^^^^LMAO^^^^^^ And you know this because you already seen this in the "wind tunnel"?! Are air speeds in the intake that high? Really? Negative lift hu? Yea ok. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

06-09-2012, 07:57 AM	#106
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	And what proof do you have this is what is happening inside these intakes or are you just guessing? __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

06-09-2012, 08:49 AM	#111
BronxxBombers213 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS RS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: NYC Posts: 2,386	what im thinking: yes the blade will now be closer to 90* angle.. increasing airflow around the butterfly... but now that youre tilting the whole thing, youre reducing airflow at the top and bottom of the throttle body, because now that angle will be off, while the butterfly is straight the before and after in my head would be more like this to me... could be wrong? excuse my poor demonstration, but bored at work lol heres what I mean... now, after this change, yes, the butterfly is straight through, but the TB as a whole isnt... My thoughts are that the restriction you will get at the top of the opening, will actually offset these gains?? again, this is my thinking.. however, when its proven, I will be in for one as well I did not move the card and the cup for these pics... just changed the angle of my hand before: butterfly at an angle, but TB as a whole straight through After: butterfly straight through, TB at an angle __________________ Last edited by BronxxBombers213; 06-09-2012 at 09:56 AM.