'18 Camaro SS vs '18 Mustang GT magazine comparisons -- when will they be out? - Page 62

*DGthe3* · 11-01-2017, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Hennessy had a SS at 431/421 iirc when it came out. I don't think its under rated.

no nothing is underrated with the new SAE standard. if it is certified its not under rated.

And every dyno is 100% perfectly accurate and the top concern of every operator is achieving that accuracy (rather than, say making sure its repeatable or heaven forbid ... making an owner feel all warm & fuzzy because his car is a lot more powerful than he thought)

crysalis_01 · 11-01-2017, 11:19 PM

I'd imagine that a shop would want for their base runs to appear lower so that once they mod the car the gains appear that much better.

ULTRAZLS1 · 11-01-2017, 11:48 PM

You would think. But this happens constantly. Lots of them also baseline high and end high after mods. Happy customer the whole time lol

According to what some of the mustang guys saying both these places have historically had numbers about 15 rwhp higher than everyone else with cars they dyno. Not my words. I could care less about dyno numbers. Mine has never been on one.

BlaqWhole · 11-01-2017, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by crysalis_01

I'd imagine that a shop would want for their base runs to appear lower so that once they mod the car the gains appear that much better.

Maybe. But then that could turn on them and make them look bad if another shop comes along and busts off a much better time. It'll make the first shop look like they don't know how to drive the car.

crysalis_01 · 11-02-2017, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Maybe. But then that could turn on them and make them look bad if another shop comes along and busts off a much better time. It'll make the first shop look like they don't know how to drive the car.

I was thinking more on the dyno side of the equation.

BlaqWhole · 11-02-2017, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by crysalis_01

I was thinking more on the dyno side of the equation.

Oh. Well their cars dyno low only right before they put their mod on it and then it dynos high...

ST1LE · 11-02-2017, 06:36 AM

Man, these H2H's are going to be great! It's about time we have 2 evenly matched cars to talk about. Been a little boring up to now.

I have to admit, this all seems so weird though. The revised version of the GT seems to be so much faster than the '15-'17. Didnt Ford do something similar between '10 and '11 or something like that?

Why does Ford do that? I would be furious if I bought a '15-'17, and then Ford finally decides to release the performer a few years later.

Why?

Speedofsound · 11-02-2017, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ST1LE

Man, these H2H's are going to be great! It's about time we have 2 evenly matched cars to talk about. Been a little boring up to now.

I have to admit, this all seems so weird though. The revised version of the GT seems to be so much faster than the '15-'17. Didnt Ford do something similar between '10 and '11 or something like that?

Why does Ford do that? I would be furious if I bought a '15-'17, and then Ford finally decides to release the performer a few years later.

Why?

Not necessarily. As I remember the 2010 and prior 3V did absolutely nothing right. Couldn't make any NA power and on boost it would make low 400, which was basically at the limit of the motor. Then the coyote hit and it wasn't leaps better, it was another zip code better. Matching boosted 3V in NA form with couple bolt ons and 200Hp more boost vs boost. Coyote are getting better in small leaps. Biggest difference is in the 10spd. Let's see how long it takes for people to swap that and the higher flowing heads to older models if they fit.

72MachOne99GT · 11-02-2017, 07:10 AM

Performance oriented People who bought 2010s before the 5.0 was announced got hosed.

First because of how massive the increase was.
Second, if I remember correctly, the late 2010s went for big discounts as ‘11s hit the lot.

BlaqWhole · 11-02-2017, 07:41 AM

Well you gotta remember that the 15-17s served a purpose and still do. That purpose is to get people into a GT for cheap. I have a feeling that since the 18s are getting a price hike we're actually gonna see more 15-17s on the road. I said it before in more of a trash talking fashion but it holds true. That GTs go for dirt cheap and a lot of people were able to scrape money together to get into a base GT. Some dealerships were pushing them off for high $20K range brand new. Used low mileage models were going for low $20K range. For a 1-2 year old GT that is a crazy low price. So I don't think those who are shopping for a GT now will be too upset if they can barely get into a base GT.

newmoon · 11-02-2017, 07:42 AM

What bothers me is that you can't get the PP2 or 1LE packages with an auto transmission. They both would surely be faster equipped as such.

Speedofsound · 11-02-2017, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well you gotta remember that the 15-17s served a purpose and still do. That purpose is to get people into a GT for cheap. I have a feeling that since the 18s are getting a price hike we're actually gonna see more 15-17s on the road. I said it before in more of a trash talking fashion but it holds true. That GTs go for dirt cheap and a lot of people were able to scrape money together to get into a base GT. Some dealerships were pushing them off for high $20K range brand new. Used low mileage models were going for low $20K range. For a 1-2 year old GT that is a crazy low price. So I don't think those who are shopping for a GT now will be too upset if they can barely get into a base GT.

You believe that people that drive a certain vehicle they do so because they cant afford anything else? Not sure I agree with that but ok. Also if anything you will see less 15-17s as they arent making them anymore and some will be sent overseas, crashed, etc.

ST1LE · 11-02-2017, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

What bothers me is that you can't get the PP2 or 1LE packages with an auto transmission. They both would surely be faster equipped as such.

Well, I cannot speak for the PP2 as I don't even know what Ford intends with that car, having no coolers and all, and the Ford boys cry foul when you call it a "track pack".

The 1LE, however, is for track rats and track rats want to row gears.

Everyone else that want to buy a 1LE for an alternate purpose just has to suck it up.

Chadicus · 11-02-2017, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ST1LE

Well, I cannot speak for the PP2 as I don't even know what Ford intends with that car, having no coolers and all, and the Ford boys cry foul when you call it a "track pack".

The 1LE, however, is for track rats and track rats want to row gears.

Everyone else that want to buy a 1LE for an alternate purpose just has to suck it up.

A lot of people like rowing their own gears. Also there is no cylinder deactivation on the manuals. That was reason enough for me to get a manual on my car.

11-01-2017, 11:19 PM	#856
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newmoon Drives: 2019 GT350 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: NC Posts: 3,232	What bothers me is that you can't get the PP2 or 1LE packages with an auto transmission. They both would surely be faster equipped as such. __________________ 2019 GT350 RR 2013 Boss Mustang 2012 SRT Challenger 392 auto 12:40s 112 stock 2012 Ford Mustang 5.0. Brembo, 3:73s 2010 SS, LS3, Cammed, LTs, 12:20s 2004 Redfire Cobra, Pullied & Tuned 1986 GT, Ed Curtis 347ci, 11:20s motor. 10:30s 100-hp shot

11-01-2017, 11:48 PM	#857
ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,407	You would think. But this happens constantly. Lots of them also baseline high and end high after mods. Happy customer the whole time lol According to what some of the mustang guys saying both these places have historically had numbers about 15 rwhp higher than everyone else with cars they dyno. Not my words. I could care less about dyno numbers. Mine has never been on one.

11-02-2017, 07:41 AM	#864
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	Well you gotta remember that the 15-17s served a purpose and still do. That purpose is to get people into a GT for cheap. I have a feeling that since the 18s are getting a price hike we're actually gonna see more 15-17s on the road. I said it before in more of a trash talking fashion but it holds true. That GTs go for dirt cheap and a lot of people were able to scrape money together to get into a base GT. Some dealerships were pushing them off for high $20K range brand new. Used low mileage models were going for low $20K range. For a 1-2 year old GT that is a crazy low price. So I don't think those who are shopping for a GT now will be too upset if they can barely get into a base GT.

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