06-27-2012, 11:33 AM | #71 |
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06-27-2012, 11:34 AM | #72 | |
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I hear you man.. i respect your opinion ..! Hey you have more pics of your cae? i am ordering the gm ground effects package and i have black and want to keep them gray too.. It looks sick with the cyber gray stripes.. |
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06-27-2012, 11:38 AM | #73 |
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Oblig: "Why isn't this in the Camaro VS area where it belongs?" comment
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06-27-2012, 11:39 AM | #74 | |
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And finally, one could argue that the chart is being mostly ignored because the numbers aren't what the majority of this audience wishes to see. |
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06-27-2012, 11:40 AM | #75 |
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Oblig: "Why isn't this in the Camaro VS area where it belongs?" comment
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06-27-2012, 11:41 AM | #76 |
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If these cars could talk this would be the conversation.
ZL1: Anything you can do I can do better ... I can do anything better than you GT500: No, you can't ZL1: Yes, I can GT500: No, you can't ZL1: Yes, I can GT500: No, you can't ZL1: Yes, I can, yes, I can GT500: Anything you can be I can be greater ... Sooner or later I'm greater than you ZL1: No, you're not GT500: Yes, I am ZL1: No, you're not GT500: Yes, I am ZL1: No, you're not GT500: Yes, I am, yes I am |
06-27-2012, 11:49 AM | #77 | |
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06-27-2012, 11:51 AM | #78 | |
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The point is that's what's practiced around the world - I'm just telling you how it is. The fact that you don't think it's reasonable is irrelevant because the world doesn't care about your opinion when it makes its comparisons. |
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06-27-2012, 11:59 AM | #79 |
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The GT500 excelled in both the straight-line speed test and the road course. Ford was determined to compete in this class, and IMO they have done a remarkable job with the GT500. Preference is one thing, but the actual numbers show the strengths and weaknesses of the competing cars.
I wonder what Chevy is planning for a rebuttal?
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06-27-2012, 12:01 PM | #80 | |
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A chart that displays the results of essentially redundant straight line acceleration comparisons 11 different times is not noteworthy, as people already knew that the GT500 is faster in straight line acceleration, and the fact that the GT500 is faster than the ZL1 in straight line acceleration is simply not news that needs comment.
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06-27-2012, 12:03 PM | #81 |
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There is no need for a rebuttal from Chevrolet as most reviews so far have concluded that the ZL1 is the better overall vehicle.
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06-27-2012, 12:04 PM | #82 | |
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If I wanted a straight line car I'd build a kickass drag car for less than a 1/3 of the money and smoke both of them at the track. Just sayin.. Didn't buy the car to win trophies, I bought the car to have fun while maintaining comfort where it matters most.
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06-27-2012, 12:36 PM | #83 | |
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as you oil temps rise, brakes fade, etc that is better on the track? reality does not car about time in a magazine. when you are coming into a corner you have good brake pedal or you don't. that is the differnt between the internet and reality. you keyboard never has brake fade, oil temp, water temp, etc. if I want a car for a track day I like the car that actaully will do better that day. does not have to be the fastest. of all the amercian cars tested the ZL1 is one of the few that does not seem to exibit bad behaviors during a review on the track. with the exeption of Z06 Z07, Zr1 but they usually get reviewed as being harsh at the limit and they are.
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06-27-2012, 12:50 PM | #84 | |
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Acceleration: GT500 = 4 ZL1 = 0 Not reported = 0 Most "wins" = GT500 Braking: GT500 = 2 ZL1 = 1 Not reported = 1 Most "wins" = GT500 Skidpad: GT500 = 1 ZL1 = 1 Not reported = 2 Most "wins" = Tie Slalom: GT500 = 1 ZL1 = 2 Not reported = 1 Most "wins" = ZL1 Road Course: GT500 = 2 ZL1 = 1 Tie = 1 Most "wins" = GT500 Broken down that way, in raw numbers, you end up with the following: GT500 wins 3 (Accel, braking, Road course) ZL1 wins 1 Cars "tie" on 1 (skidpad) Final results = 3-1-1 I leave off gas mileage because its not a performance metric in the same sense as those above, and most folks don't buy these cars for mileage (though it is something I always consider...regardless of what kind of vehicle I'm purchasing). Of course, those things that can't be measured include ride comfort, level of ability needed to obtain x or y numbers, and what is often called the "feel" of the car. Other things that are often ignored include visibility, available options , how well a car is equipped in base trim, cost of ownership, mpg, warranty, etc. Let us not forget personal preference on looks and brand loyalty (abundant on BOTH sides...in spades) As always, we draw our own conclusions. |
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