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And the 325mm tire, plus the low curb weight, plus the rear biased weight distribution, plus the all wheel drive system all probably had a bit of an effect in getting the Porsche to 60 mph in 2.4s. Traction control made it easier for them to get that time in a reasonable number of attempts, but given enough practice & experience, a person could match the system. On the other hand, give it a wheel & tire package thats 2" narrower & it won't matter how good of a driver (or TC system) you've got, you're not going to hit those times (all other things being equal).
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18 of 25 are as fast or faster than the slowest mag result. (13.0?) Notice the #1 is a 12.25. Pretty astounding for a car that puts down 410ish rwhp. More on that further down. Quote:
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Here are some REAL WORLD results. Another reason to put down mag crap. 393 - 6pd 410- 416- 427rwhp 1 7/8 Kooks long tube headers w/ hi flow cats, Borla xr1 resonators and rear muffler deletes.jmb cold air intake- 418- 405- 408- 408- I could go on and on. Now there will be happy dynos out there just like the one Edmunds uses. Sure you'll find the bs 440rwhp dyno results but those may very well be the cars that go out there and run 13.3's@106. How would one explain that even @ 4200lbs. Also watch out for results like that from companies like HPE and RDP. Shady at best. Dodge may have underrated the engine some but at most it may be 500hp imo. Thats still 80 less than the ZL1. Thats being really generous to the ZL1. Now if the LSA is rated at 580 and is only putting down 470rwhp on avg that only means Chevy has some explaining to do. Not me. A loss of 110hp is horrible imo. Quote:
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Also i thought the ZL1 was 4200. Oh and thanks for the awesome response. At no point was i offended or felt the need to be defensive. Keep up the good work! LOL |
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I've run 13.6 with my 6.1 on a hot day 90F, I really need to work on launching it, All she wantes to do is sit there and spin.
I can outrun a stock 6.1 pretty easily, a friend of mine just bought a stock 2010 last month and we were playing on the highway and I easily pulled away from her every time. |
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I went ahead and did the avg of the top 19 of both.
ET ZL1-12.137 392-12.704 Diff-0.567 MPH ZL1-117.55 392-111.10 Diff-6.44 Again. Right back to the .6 + 6mph advantage. I was a bit surprised at how many 120+mph were on that list. I expected maybe one. Those 4 def helped out the end num. Where as im also surprised at how many sub 110's was on the 392's list. Imo that just isnt enough given the power advantage the ZL1 has. I think it should be close to a 1 sec advantage on avg. Also note that the fastest 392 would be #15 on the ZL1's list. To me if it would have came in at #19 it would have been impressive. We're talking about a car with 110 less hp, almost the same weight, and im assuming its 5 speed isnt as good as the zl1's a6. The thing that has me thinking that is the fact that dodge is now marketing the 8spd 392 as an LOW 12sec car vs HIGH 12sec they said it was with the 5spd. That thing must have really been crap. Overall the .6 advantage is worth it if spending $54k on a loaded 392. Id pay a little more and get the great handling, faster ZL1. Id take the core 392 (40k) over the ZL1 and just throw a blower on it with the money saved. Not comparing those two as its stock vs modded. Just stating what i would do. Bench racing. Gotta love it. (sarcasm) Last edited by AEP11; 07-05-2014 at 09:58 PM. |
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I saw a guy that did just that run 12.09 with DR when I went to the track. It was a pretty nice car
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ZL1-4120 I agree but no more than 500. As far as honesty, that could go both ways. Those 11sec and 120+ mph passes by the ZL1 could have lied about mods. Like i said id damn sure pay $56k for a ZL1 before id pay $54k for a loaded 392. Even then id personally be pretty upset if i lined up next to a 392 at the track and i ran a 11.9 to his 12.3. First thing id say it how in the hell was that car that close to me while i have it out gunnned by 110hp. I think its safe to say if someone threw nothing more than a 100hp power adder on the 392 it would be capable of mid 11's or lower. We'll soon find out with the Hell Cat having 237 hp piled on top. |
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I think GM did a fine job with both vehicles but I think Ford and Dodge went in the better direction. The ZL1 is sick but when I can afford a 50k+ car, probably in the next 5-6 years, I wouldn't buy anything like that and I've owned 2 5th gens so far. If I wanted a handling car at that price range there are so many better choices, like you know, the Vette, various Porsches, even used exotics like an Aston. The Z28 should have just been a SS with some boss ass GM designed coil overs, a great wheel tire set up like the 1LE, slightly upgraded Brembos, and some factory approved bolt ons + a tune. Basically take the 1LE and add about $5-8,000 worth of upgrades. The ZL1 should have been all out HP like the Gt500 and Hellcat are. That should have been the 65-70k car, not the Z. Instead now we have two cars that handle great but get spanked on the street where 90% of drivers have their fun. If someone wanted a 50k+ Chevy that handles great, that is what the Vette is for. The Camaro is supposed to be the muscle car, all out straight line performance. Thats why Ford and Dodge don't put nearly as much focus on handling. Just kinda seems like after the 30-40k price tag range the Camaro gets left behind by the Chally and Stang. |
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Being able to challenge on and off ramps is what makes a car fun. JMHO Besides the fact that the Camaro can never be #1 on the speed charts with Corvette in the stable and the C5/C6 team have their hands tied.
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