[Davy_Baby9]

I've been waiting for this car, if it's a 1LE.

[txferrari]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

Can not confirm, having a nice watch does nothing for you.

I tend to agree, but true story. I closed a $150k contract with a lender of mine over my watch. He actually told me, look Scott, I'm going with your company due to reputation, but what sealed it was your watch. He said first thing he noticed when I walked into his office was my watch. Anyhow, I didn't care. I thanked him and we talked watches for like 15 mins afterwards. Then he walked me out to show me his Porsche. Some people care about that stuff. haha. I personally don't, but I don't begrudge someone who does.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Approaching 2 years old and have over 20K fun filled miles. This is the best DD that I have ever had. Show off stuff, WTF!

Not much of the 1LE comes from the ZL1. I think a couple suspension links, the fuel pump, steering wheel and shifter is it.

[1leWorksforMe]

Originally Posted by suzook

I am assuming everyone who buys a 1LE is tracking the car alot? If not, its completely a waste.

With that said, I was never a fan of camaros before the 1le came out and after I drove one I had to have it. I'm sure the new SS kicks butt as well but there's just something about driving this car some people will never understand.

[Camaro1LTBA]

The Gen6 SS is already better than the Gen5 1LE. I agree that it seems like a waste unless you are tracking the car, but we all have our preferences. I guess it will depend on if they release a 1LE option with the SS for this generation and what real differences there are.

From what I know about the Gen5 SS 1LE option, all that this generation really needs is a tire package in place of the runflats. My preference would have been all-seasons instead of the summer only tires, but I'm obviously not going to spend any money on a 1LE... I'd probably spend money to delete it if it came down to it. Luckily we have options.

If a track tire package is offered and you then check off the Magnetic Ride Control for an upgraded suspension and then go and check off the 6P brake package for a few grand... do you not basically already have a "1LE". So GM could really just add a tire package for the SS or group all these together into a 1LE option.

From my perspective, the only real thing missing for those that have a Gen5 with the 1LE option from the Gen6 SS is some track tire package. The SS is now so capable and there are options already as mentioned. Just not the tires yet.

I think they made the SS too capable which I'm loving, but hope they can sell this generation well. A bit off-topic, but they should be in better shape when the V6 and T4 are more readily available. The current SS already trounces the Mustang GT base model or their "performance package". Is the 1LE similar in the sense that some are waiting for a "performance package" from GM?

I say just offer a tire option and let people option the SS how they want. Forget the 1LE option and focus on the model that will be above the SS whether that be a ZL1 or Z28. Since launch, GM has been adding options to the SS so I don't see adding track tires as an option a problem.

For those with a Gen5 with the 1LE option... doesn't the current SS outperform the old SS in every way by far (including any SS with a 1LE option)? Not to mention it's a brand new car with a completely different feel and a much needed and tremendously improved interior.

If you have no reason to purchase now, why not wait I guess if this option means so much. I just don't see it with the current performance of the SS unless you are tracking the car.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by Camaro1LTBA

The Gen6 SS is already better than the Gen5 1LE. I agree that it seems like a waste unless you are tracking the car, but we all have our preferences. I guess it will depend on if they release a 1LE option with the SS for this generation and what real differences there are.

From what I know about the Gen5 SS 1LE option, all that this generation really needs is a tire package in place of the runflats. My preference would have been all-seasons instead of the summer only tires, but I'm obviously not going to spend any money on a 1LE... I'd probably spend money to delete it if it came down to it. Luckily we have options.

If a track tire package is offered and you then check off the Magnetic Ride Control for an upgraded suspension and then go and check off the 6P brake package for a few grand... do you not basically already have a "1LE". So GM could really just add a tire package for the SS or group all these together into a 1LE option.

From my perspective, the only real thing missing for those that have a Gen5 with the 1LE option from the Gen6 SS is some track tire package. The SS is now so capable and there are options already as mentioned. Just not the tires yet.

I think they made the SS too capable which I'm loving, but hope they can sell this generation well. A bit off-topic, but they should be in better shape when the V6 and T4 are more readily available. The current SS already trounces the Mustang GT base model or their "performance package". Is the 1LE similar in the sense that some are waiting for a "performance package" from GM?

I say just offer a tire option and let people option the SS how they want. Forget the 1LE option and focus on the model that will be above the SS whether that be a ZL1 or Z28. Since launch, GM has been adding options to the SS so I don't see adding track tires as an option a problem.

For those with a Gen5 with the 1LE option... doesn't the current SS outperform the old SS in every way by far (including any SS with a 1LE option)? Not to mention it's a brand new car with a completely different feel and a much needed and tremendously improved interior.

If you have no reason to purchase now, why not wait I guess if this option means so much. I just don't see it with the current performance of the SS unless you are tracking the car.

you could have made a lot of the same arguments with the gen 5 SS vs the gen 4 SS; its better, does it really need to be that much better (yes, it did to be truly a contender) but if they already have a great performing car, no reason to rest on their laurels.

Could you "make" a 1LE with some of the options? yes, but Id rather have RPO brakes, and RPO wheels.

[Camaro1LTBA]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

you could have made a lot of the same arguments with the gen 5 SS vs the gen 4 SS; its better, does it really need to be that much better (yes, it did to be truly a contender) but if they already have a great performing car, no reason to rest on their laurels.

Could you "make" a 1LE with some of the options? yes, but Id rather have RPO brakes, and RPO wheels.

That's true, but I was more or less making the case that the 2016 SS has higher performance options I guess of what already comes standard for those that want more of a track car minus the tires yet. Add the tires and that should satisfy those that want better suspension, brakes, tires... and with so many different options, the 2016 can be personalized more so than before.

I definitely don't want GM to take a "good enough" approach which is why I suggested offering tires and focusing on the model above the SS. Will definitely bring more attention to the Camaro than another option on the SS.

If they do offer such an option next year... great. Some here will be thrilled, but I wonder how many cars they actually sell that are not only the SS V8 model, but also have another check for a 1LE option.

The SS is already almost on par with the vette at this point. Just think a ZL1/Z28 would be money better spent for high margin sales and brand recognition. After all, the 1LE option is just that, an option on the SS. Hopefully it'll be added if some want it that bad.

[1leWorksforMe]

Originally Posted by Camaro1LTBA

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For those with a Gen5 with the 1LE option... doesn't the current SS outperform the old SS in every way by far (including any SS with a 1LE option)? Not to mention it's a brand new car with a completely different feel and a much needed and tremendously improved interior.

In a straight line yes, on a technical track, probably not. That just reiterates more than ever that chevy did a great job with a tired, old, heavy platform. However, I think it's funny people are taking it personal when comparing the two cars. Of course the newer model should strive to be better in every way but that's something we call progress and most manufacturers try to do that (except Subaru of course). However, that doesn't mean the cars before it are now null and void. Furthermore, some people just prefer the more muscular looks of the gen 5's but I'm sure every single one of them will tell you the new SS is one bad ass ride (even if they are sour on the looks). The fact of the matter is Chevy has really stepped up their game and enthusiasts everywhere are the benefactors. I personally think they are charging a bit too much for the new camaros but obviously there is a market for them so what do I know?

[aa406079]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

They could drop a new engine for both a "grand sport" corvette and camaro simultaneously. Unlikely, but possible.

A feral race of pigs with wings could be discovered in the amazon.

Unlikely, but possible.

[Bhobbs]

I'm not sure why so many think because the SS got better, the 1LE can't improve upon it even more.

[aa406079]

Originally Posted by Camaro1LTBA

The Gen6 SS is already better than the Gen5 1LE..

FALSE.


The TRUE statement your looking for is:


The Gen 6 SS beat a Gen 5 1LE around GM's test track. You can't state the new suspension/tire set up is better than the old 1LE based on a track time when one car has a much stronger powerplant ( hp is not a great difference but the onset of torque is a massive improvement) as well as 225 lbs of weight loss.




heres the only video you ever have to watch to understand what the 1LE will provide where the SS begins to delve into the 8.5-10/10ths driving limits and starts to lag...




1:35 High Speed Understeer

2:45 Brake Fade

3:18 Seats not very track-friendly



Again, the SS is a GREAT car, but there are some of us that are waiting for its true track/cornering/ neutral at the limit potential...

The previous 1LE handled BETTER than the previous ZL1 due to 300 lbs less weight in the engine.... it was the true everymans daily-drivable supercar.

While the Z28 was a great HALO car, I would rather OWN a 1LE.

[Gen_Nick3.8]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

And what if you don't give a shit what people think and buy the 1LE because you like the style and the ride?

I haven't tracked my 1LE yet because I'm nervous to wreck it and I haven't had the opportunity to buy a spare set of wheels and tires.

Despite that, my 1LE is one of the best cars I've driven.

I have to agree as well, I don't have money to replace the Eagle F1's, Brakes, etc.. plus additional wear on the car. I love my 1LE going on to the ramps of hwy's and back country roads

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by aa406079

FALSE.
The TRUE statement your looking for is:
The Gen 6 SS beat a Gen 5 1LE around GM's test track. You can't state the new suspension/tire set up is better than the old 1LE based on a track time when one car has a much stronger powerplant ( hp is not a great difference but the onset of torque is a massive improvement) as well as 225 lbs of weight loss.

heres the only video you ever have to watch to understand what the 1LE will provide where the SS begins to delve into the 8.5-10/10ths driving limits and starts to lag...

1:35 High Speed Understeer
2:45 Brake Fade
3:18 Seats not very track-friendly
Again, the SS is a GREAT car, but there are some of us that are waiting for its true track/cornering/ neutral at the limit potential...
The previous 1LE handled BETTER than the previous ZL1 due to 300 lbs less weight in the engine.... it was the true everymans daily-drivable supercar.
While the Z28 was a great HALO car, I would rather OWN a 1LE.

aa406079 and this video nails the missing parts of current SS that can be improved to make it a track animal. So there is room to improve:

• Brakes that can dissipate heat better (but not stop in a shorter distance)
• Suspension tweaks and a square tire setup to move the cornering to near neutral (More on that)
• Better seats to hold you in place at over 1G
• Aerodynamic Add-ons for reduced lift as the speeds increase
• Better tires for more grip

So the thing to consider if you do not track your car, is none of the above will matter on the street. If you are driving at speeds where the above does matter you are putting yourself and others in great danger. You should not have a drivers license. If you want a car that you can drive hard (but not crazy hard) on the street and the track, get a Miata or a BRZ.

Speaking as someone who has owned both the standard and Recaro 5th gen SS seats, I far prefer the standard seats. The Recaros are cooler looking but are not as comfortable on a long trip. And are a little harder to get in and out of. Those stickier tires are awful when the temps get cold, are expensive, do not have run flat capabilities, and might last only 10K miles. Start thinking about a spare if you take long trips. Effective front splitters are very damage prone. Track ready brakes have no downside except they are more expensive to buy and rebuild.

As to neutral handling, this is something you can enjoy on the street at moderate speeds. But you better know how to handle oversteer if you add power in the middle of a turn (don't do it) or on the exit or you might wind up in ditch or worse. My 1LE wound up shiny side down when someone who was driving it could not handle oversteer. This was on a race track and the driver only suffered minor injuries. Lucky.

So GM has built us a really smart performance car here for the 99% of us. They know all of the above. A safe car with high limits you can enjoy every day but at the expense of some "character", it's just too good. And a car that is cheaper and safer to drive than a true track animal. They hope you do not buy the more serious car unless you know what you are buying and you know what you are doing. They want you to be happy with the car and be safe.

But if you do buy the track animal, do yourself a huge favor. Take your car to a track day (or more) and get the track insurance. Spend seat time in your car wired to a professional driver who can help you understand how to handle and drive the car you own. You will have one of the best times you can have out of bed, and join the 1% as a beginner. You can thank me later.

[KaBoom1701]

Well if this is a 1LE then great but I hope Chevy does a much better job at advertising this 1LE option this time.

Except for us Camaro fans on C5 does anyone else even know what a 1LE Camaro is?

I feel it was the best option you can add to the 5th Gen SS....hands down.