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VIR results

FYI, the ZL1, 1LE are 9th and 24th or so.

69. Ford Mustang GT 5.0 3:08.60 '11 418 / 1648
70. Jaguar XFR 3:08.90 '09 510 / 1960
71. Lotus Elise S2 3:09.20 '06 136 / 877
72. Dodge Challenger SRT-8 392 3:09.40 '11 477 / 1933 Car and Driver
73. Porsche Cayman S 3:09.50 '05 295 / 1406
74. Chevrolet Camaro SS 3:09.50 '10 432 / 1750
75. Audi S6 3:09.80 '12 420 / 1845
76. BMW M6 3:10.00 '05 507 / 1710
77. Dodge Charger SRT-8 facelift 3:10.10 '11 476 / 1955 car and driver
78. BMW Z4 sDrive 35is 3:10.40 '10 340 / 1605
79. BMW 335i Coupe 3:10.50 '06 306 / 1610
80. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X SE 3:10.60 '11 295 / 1519
81. Audi S4 3:10.80 '09 333 / 1650
82. BMW X5 M 3:11.10 '09 555 / 2400
83. Audi RS4 3:11.20 '05 420 / 1720
84. BMW Z4 M Roadster 3:11.70 '06 343 / 1444
85. Nissan Nismo 370Z 3:12.00 '09 355 / 1500
86. Nissan 350Z 3:12.50 '02 287 / 1532
87. Ford Mustang V6 3:12.50 '11 309 / 1571
88. Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC 3:13.00 '08 264 / 1352
89. BMW 335i 3:13.20 '12 306 / 1600 C&D
90. Mitsubishi EVO X MR SST 3:13.30 '08 299 / 1675
91. Ford Mustang GT 3:13.30 '10 318 / 1620
92. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 3:13.50 '05 290 / 1482
93. BMW 135i Coupe 3:13.70 '07 306 / 1485
94. Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 3:13.80 '09 310 / 1575
95. Subaru WRX STI sedan 3:13.80 '10 300 / 1590
96. BMW 335is M Sport 3:13.80 '10 324 / 1659 Car and Driver
97. VW Golf R 3:14.00 '10 271 / 1446
98. Audi S5 3:14.60 '07 354 / 1630
99. Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 3:14.80 '09 310 / 1575
100. Honda S2000 Type S 3:15.00 '07 242 / 1270

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Interesting that it smokes it. ZL1 A6's hold the top 6 fastest stock times on Camaro5 vs their manual counterparts. The manual M5 and manual ZL1 seem pretty even from reviews, yet no one seems to test the automatic ZL1 anywhere. Have you lined them up with equal drivers? What were ET's and traps respectively?

Road&Track
M5 MT: 0-60 4.1sec; 12.3 @ 116.7mph
M5 DCT: 0-60 3.6sec; 11.9 @ 119.7mph
ZL1 M6: 0-60 3.9sec; 12.1 @ 119.9mph

Car&Driver:
M5 MT: 0-60 4.0sec; 12.1 @ 120.0mph
M5 DCT: 0-60 3.7sec; 12.0 @ 122.0mph
ZL1 M6: 0-60 4.1sec; 12.3 @ 119mph

MotorTrend:
M5 MT: 0-60 4.2sec; 12.5 @ 116.6mph
M5 DCT: 0-60 4.0sec; 12.4 @ 114.2mph
ZL1 M6: 0-60 3.8sec; 12.1 @ 117.4mph

My bad. I mean roll runs from 70-140ish. I have tested it a few times. Stock to stock on roll runs has the M5 ahead. Road course always has ZL1 ahead.

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by 2010SLVRBULIT

can't wait to see one, an instant collectible..now just need the color options..guessing it'll be in the $55-60k range.

The 392 is $54k loaded. No way in hell this car will see 50's. Maybe not even 60's. Look for near 80k optioned out. Mark my words.

Originally Posted by khell86

I believe that was with DR's sir.

and?? You cant be serious. Everyones saying its going to be a turd cause of its weight. 10's with only a tire is slow?? A 110k GTR "only" runs 10's with awd, 3800lbs, and dct. Guess that car isnt impressive as well right?


A GT500 cant pull that off and a ZL1 damn sure cant. Lucky if it can run an 11.9 but Jesus that car is a beast right? Gimmie a break.

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Those will be hard numbers to live up to. Especially since the GT500 isn't close with wider tires and better power to weight ratio.

Really? Its tires are only 10mm wider and not as sticky. It also a solid axle thats hard as chit to plant with anything other than a drag radial. It also only comes in a manual thats hard as chit to get into gear. Trust me the 8spd alone will take advantage and expose all of those shortcomings.

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

DCT transmission helps immensely. My stock 13 M5 smokes my stock ZL1 in a straight line. My findings lead me to the A6 crap tranny.

The 8spd will do the same for the hellcat.

Originally Posted by Blown355

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't those 275's on the back. That's not going to cut it with 600 rwhp turning them.

I know with proper track prep a 275 drag radial could dead hook on that car. Point being its not all about tread width. Rubber compound plays a huge roll as well. It may be a very sticky 275. Couple that with launch control and a killer auto and im willing to bet a good driver will plant the rear just fine.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Interesting that it smokes it. ZL1 A6's hold the top 6 fastest stock times on Camaro5 vs their manual counterparts. The manual M5 and manual ZL1 seem pretty even from reviews, yet no one seems to test the automatic ZL1 anywhere. Have you lined them up with equal drivers? What were ET's and traps respectively?



Road&Track

M5 MT: 0-60 4.1sec; 12.3 @ 116.7mph

M5 DCT: 0-60 3.6sec; 11.9 @ 119.7mph

ZL1 M6: 0-60 3.9sec; 12.1 @ 119.9mph



Car&Driver:

M5 MT: 0-60 4.0sec; 12.1 @ 120.0mph

M5 DCT: 0-60 3.7sec; 12.0 @ 122.0mph

ZL1 M6: 0-60 4.1sec; 12.3 @ 119mph



MotorTrend:

M5 MT: 0-60 4.2sec; 12.5 @ 116.6mph

M5 DCT: 0-60 4.0sec; 12.4 @ 114.2mph

ZL1 M6: 0-60 3.8sec; 12.1 @ 117.4mph

Jesus Christ man put down the magazines. Its like you're a magazine puppet.

You love to quote mag results and say what cars dont do in the real world. Well let me tell you ive seen more than a few ZL1's running high 12's @ 109-114 tops. Dont sit here and act like every stock zl1 that runs down the 1/4 hits 12.1's@119mph. They dont, not by a long shot.

The ZL1 is a turd from a roll. Especially after a few wot runs and heat sets in.

The ZL1 is the same weight as a 392, has 110 more hp so one would think it could put 10mph on it for traps right?? Lets see. These are some rough numbers...

Lowest trap
ZL1-110ish??
392-104ish?? (Both of these are worst case scenarios. Be it heat or very high altitude)

6mph difference with 110 hp advantage??

Highest trap
ZL1-120 (being generous)
392-114 (documented)
Again 6mph.

Not very impressive at all imo.

Best et
ZL1-11.9??
392-12.3??

4 tenths with 110 advantage?? Pathetic.

The hellcat will absolutely annihilate the ZL1 in any form of straight line test and im suspecting it will be a lot closer on the road course than most are expecting.

Last but not least its hilarious how many are making fun of its weight when a ZL1 is a 4200lb car that still cant seat 4 adults much less 5 like the challenger can. At least the challenger has a reason for its weight. Its a big car with a big space.

The zl1 is a not so big car with not so big space with BIG weight. How does that work??


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[Oddvious]

Originally Posted by AEP11

The 392 is $54k loaded. No way in hell this car will see 50's. Maybe not even 60's. Look for near 80k optioned out. Mark my words.

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Your dead wrong it will see a 70k tag period the 2014 SRT8 Jeep is 71k+ all day everywhere the 2012 300SRT8 was 61k I bought one new so I know I've also owned 2 SRT8 Jeeps one being a 2012 so I know a lil about SRT's bud.

I'm not sure what your even trying to prove anyway come over here and want everyone to say the hellcat is the best ever OK u win It's the best ever and will beat everything ever made LMFAO.

Tell ya what I will put my ZL up agains any SRT8 you can find because I know some of the fastest SRT's in the country and know I may not beat em all but can earn respect as an Auto Enthusiast from them because we are all racers.

I have been involved in the SRT real world since 2005 yep since the first 300SRT. Oh I should also mention my business today is built around SRT's and I just can't stand all the bickering when the car has not even been released the real world will tell the tail. So I have a few Jeeps that will spank the Hellcat and a ZL that will too that is modifyied so what's your point really? Why come over here with all the profanity and yelling like troll it don't matter it's a dam car dude.

Let me also ask you how will you modify the Hellcat when it's released who is gonna tune it B&G Haaa. Can't wait for this answer lets see how much you really know

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by Oddvious

Your dead wrong it will see a 70k tag period the 2014 SRT8 Jeep is 71k+ all day everywhere the 2012 300SRT8 was 61k I bought one new so I know I've also owned 2 SRT8 Jeeps one being a 2012 so I know a lil about SRT's bud.

Ummm wut? How am i dead wrong? I just said it'll be lucky if it even sees 60's. You just said it will be 70k. Sounds like you're agreeing with me so im guessing youre dead wrong too?

As far as tuning.

Depends on several things. If Dodge will indeed lock them down like they did the prior.

If they do there will be multiple options. Depends on how bad the owner wants it.

They can bring it to AJ and have him tackle it. Whether it be a complete swap or if mother mopar also gives him full access to the tuning software like they did with the others.

If not that then i believe there is a stand alone about to be released called the Dominator. By Holley. Complete PCM replacement.

Anything else you want to know Mister?


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[hotlap]

Originally Posted by AEP11

1)10's with only a tire is slow??
2) A GT500... tires are only 10mm wider and not as sticky.
3) It (GT500) also a solid axle thats hard as chit to plant
4)!I know with proper track prep a 275 drag radial could dead hook on that car.
5) Don't sit here and act like every stock zl1 that runs down the 1/4 hit 12.1's@119mph. They dont, not by a long shot.
6) Best et 392-12.3
7) ZL1 is a 4200lb car

You loose all credibility here when you exaggerate and make sh^t up.

1) Where did this mythical 10s pass happen and what DRs was it running?
2) Where can I find the size and compound of these super tires?
3) A solid axle is a negative in your book for planting at the strip? Really? Really?
4) Is this based on pure faith?
5) I ran 12.5 at 116 my first outing completely stock having not been a a strip in six year. I'm 51 and slow so my 0 to 60 was a pathetic 2.1. It will do 12.1 easy.
6) 392 is 12.6s http://fastestlaps.com/cars/dodge_ch...srt-8_392.html
7) ZL1 weighs 4120 lbs

[Oddvious]

Originally Posted by AEP11

Ummm wut? How am i dead wrong? I just said it'll be lucky if it even sees 60's. You just said it will be 70k. Sounds like you're agreeing with me so im guessing youre dead wrong too?

As far as tuning.

Depends on several things. If Dodge will indeed lock them down like they did the prior.

If they do there will be multiple options. Depends on how bad the owner wants it.

They can bring it to AJ and have him tackle it. Whether it be a complete swap or if mother mopar also gives him full access to the tuning software like they did with the others.

If not that then i believe there is a stand alone about to be released called the Dominator. By Holley. Complete PCM replacement.

Anything else you want to know Mister?


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AJ can't Crack PCM's I know him personally for 5 years:roll eyes:

The Dominator won't work either their is currently no PCM replacements avalible only what Arrington is doing and I know what that is because they are friends of mine. You do know no one can tune a 2014 because of the 8 speed right not to mention the new engine and Blower the PCM will change once again so be dam straight they will 100% lock em down once again.

In case you want to know (LIL INSIDER INFO) all the fuel tables are still not available for the 2012+ SRT's so is their anything SRT YOU want to know Mister?

You should have tuning in your FATCAT in lets see 2017-2018 by then you and your FAT Cat will be mopped up by every modded GT500 and ZL1 on the planet because at the end of the day who stays stock Oh that's right all mopar's 2012+

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

You loose all credibility here when you exaggerate and make sh^t up.

1) Where did this mythical 10s pass happen and what DRs was it running?
2) Where can I find the size and compound of these super tires?
3) A solid axle is a negative in your book for planting at the strip? Really? Really?
4) Is this based on pure faith?
5) I ran 12.5 at 116 my first outing completely stock having not been a a strip in six year. I'm 51 and slow so my 0 to 60 was a pathetic 2.1. It will do 12.1 easy.
6) 392 is 12.6s http://fastestlaps.com/cars/dodge_ch...srt-8_392.html
7) ZL1 weighs 4120 lbs

Wow.

I never said some of those things were fact.

1) Its all over the net. Someone i know works for Chrysler. Been driving the test mules out for a while now. He confirmed.

2)The size is pretty well known. 275. You seem to think you're a smart guy so im sure you can find it in your own. As far as the compound. Do some research on that as well. Im sure you can find specs for the Perelli's.

3) A solid axle is CRAP while equipped with crap street tires. See thats why i said anything less than a radial. Once you equip a solid axle with a good sticky race tire be it a radial or slick its superb. Got it?

4) Obviously not for that exact car but its fact a 275 can indeed hook more than 600rwtq.

5) Haha 12.5? 116? With 580hp? 392 did 12.4's in the teens as well before the car was even released. Oh and 0-60 in 2.1? Sounds pretty good to me. Bugatti killer right there! Oh wait. Did you mean your short time? Aka 60ft? Yea not so good. If you have an auto, just go ahead and retire.

6) Darn. One source? I can post 13's from ZL1's. Whats your point. Oh and thats only 1 tenth behind your ZL1 even tho it has 110hp less.

7)???


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[hotlap]

Originally Posted by AEP11

Wow.

I never said some of those things were fact.

1) Its all over the net. Someone i know works for Chrysler. Been driving the test mules out for a while now. He confirmed.

2)The size is pretty well known. 275. You seem to think you're a smart guy so im sure you can find it in your own. As far as the compound. Do some research on that as well. Im sure you can find specs for the Perelli's.

3) A solid axle is CRAP while equipped with crap street tires. See thats why i said anything less than a radial. Once you equip a solid axle with a good sticky race tire be it a radial or slick its superb. Got it?

4) Obviously not for that exact car but its fact a 275 can indeed hook more than 600rwtq.

5) Haha 12.5? 116? With 580hp? 392 did 12.4's in the teens as well before the car was even released. Oh and 0-60 in 2.1? Sounds pretty good to me. Bugatti killer right there! Oh wait. Did you mean your short time? Aka 60ft? Yea not so good. If you have an auto, just go ahead and retire.

6) Darn. One source? I can post 13's from ZL1's. Whats your point. Oh and thats only 1 tenth behind your ZL1 even tho it has 110hp less.

7)???

Just as I thought. You're an empty suit.

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by Oddvious

AJ can't Crack PCM's I know him personally for 5 years:roll eyes:

The Dominator won't work either their is currently no PCM replacements avalible only what Arrington is doing and I know what that is because they are friends of mine. You do know no one can tune a 2014 because of the 8 speed right not to mention the new engine and Blower the PCM will change once again so be dam straight they will 100% lock em down once again.

In case you want to know (LIL INSIDER INFO) all the fuel tables are still not available for the 2012+ SRT's so is their anything SRT YOU want to know Mister?

You should have tuning in your FATCAT in lets see 2017-2018 by then you and your FAT Cat will be mopped up by every modded GT500 and ZL1 on the planet because at the end of the day who stays stock Oh that's right all mopar's 2012+

Oh man thanks for that lil insider bro. Thats some top secret stuff right there. (Sarcasm)

Its pretty well known that not only fuel table but MANY other pids arent available. So try again to impress me cause youre failing miserably.

Never once did i say AJ cracked pcm's. Where did you pull that from. I said he does swaps. Wire harness and all. Of course you know that since you two are best buds and all! (Im so impressed) can you get me his autograph?

I also said he tunes via the same equip chrysler uses. Them and Arrington has a partnership and gave him full access. But hey what do i know right. Im sure that was the next big insider you were going to let me in on. Lmfao

Of course nothing is available for the hellcat. Wait till its released. Its all about $$$. When theres a will and $$, there is a way. Period.

2017-2018?? So it took diablo 3-4 years to crack this last pcm?? Wrong again

You're leaving me so disappointed. :(


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[AEP11]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Just as I thought. You're an empty suit.

Empty rebuttal...


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[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by 2doorrocket

Reading most of these comments you guys are so dramatic. Lol... It will handle just fine, personally I prefer the feel of my SRT's to the ZL1. While the ZL1 is a beast of a car, and props to GM. Unless you guys want to sit in denial, the interior sucks.

My experience spending some serious track time with the ZL1 and the SRT. The SRT's handle just fine. I'll let you guys know what I think after I get my chance to drive the hellcat on the 23rd.

Based on the track day I was at last month all of the ZL1s, mine included (but I'm slightly moded) were killing the 392 that was there. AND the 392 had the most experienced driver.

Originally Posted by AEP11

The hellcat will absolutely annihilate the ZL1 in any form of straight line test and im suspecting it will be a lot closer on the road course than most are expecting.

Of course it will kill the ZL1 in straight line. It has 127 more hp.. I'm sure Dodge did something with the suspension of the Hellcat, so I suspect it will be OK on a road course and its horsepower on the straights will help mask its short comings on the turns. However, I still anticipate the ZL1 to take the Hellcat on a road course.

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

Based on the track day I was at last month all of the ZL1s, mine included (but I'm slightly moded) were killing the 392 that was there. AND the 392 had the most experienced driver.







Of course it will kill the ZL1 in straight line. It has 127 more hp.. I'm sure Dodge did something with the suspension of the Hellcat, so I suspect it will be OK on a road course and its horsepower on the straights will help mask its short comings on the turns. However, I still anticipate the ZL1 to take the Hellcat on a road course.

Thanks for the level headed and logical response.

I have nothing to disagree with. I think the ZL1 has a damn good chance of topping it on a road course as well. I just dont think it will be as one sided as some suggest.

No denying the ZL1 is a great track car. 392 has nothing for it on a road course.




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