New video... Z/28 vs Mustang Boss 302

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

I wonder what this car would do against the Boss 302 if it had 18x10s all round, and intake , headers with full exhaust and tune. Would like to see that.

Considering the distinct disadvantage that the 1LE Camaro has compared to the BOSS302 LS in regards to weight and power.

Even though historically the Z/28 Camaro went up against the BOSS 302, this time around they really are not in the same class. The 1LE Camaro is in the same class as tthe BOSS 302 LS, this Z/28 really wasn't necessary however at the same time I am glad that they made it.

[Quinny]

GREAT EFFORT!

[Denis]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Nice car. But let me get this straight... a yet to be released very expensive Camaro is beating up on a used, reasonably priced 2012 Boss 302 and I'm supposed to be impressed, why exactly?

Oh wait, I know. This pretty much guarantees the next performance variant of the Mustang will be on my shopping list. Thanks Al. And to think I was considering a Porsche next.

well what other Ford would have like them to pu it up against? The Boss 302 Laguna Seca is Fords fastest mustang around the track. The Z/28 is Chevys.

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Nice car. But let me get this straight... a yet to be released very expensive Camaro is beating up on a used, reasonably priced 2012 Boss 302 and I'm supposed to be impressed, why exactly?

Oh wait, I know. This pretty much guarantees the next performance variant of the Mustang will be on my shopping list. Thanks Al. And to think I was considering a Porsche next.

Hmmm, I have to agree, this is a dumb comparison. What is the point of beating up on lower priced, out of date models when you know the next generation mustang will be improved. The z/28 should be compared to porsches, high end bmw's, etc, not a mustang that the 40k 1LE was built to beat.

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Nice car. But let me get this straight... a yet to be released very expensive Camaro is beating up on a used, reasonably priced 2012 Boss 302 and I'm supposed to be impressed, why exactly?

Oh wait, I know. This pretty much guarantees the next performance variant of the Mustang will be on my shopping list. Thanks Al. And to think I was considering a Porsche next.

I get what youre saying...but I also think this is an older video, and as others said, it's the car Ford has established as their track car.

I dont think the z/28 is going to experience the zl1 syndrome...where your thunder is stolen and performance is one-upped by a competitor that reaches the market only a matter of months after its own much hyped release.

Until Ford has their IRS equipped Mustang dialed in a year or two after its initial release, I think this Z will be the best road course car from America behind a handful of Corvettes, and a Viper or two.

[BlackinBlack]

Originally Posted by doc7000

Considering the distinct disadvantage that the 1LE Camaro has compared to the BOSS302 LS in regards to weight and power.

Even though historically the Z/28 Camaro went up against the BOSS 302, this time around they really are not in the same class. The 1LE Camaro is in the same class as the BOSS 302 LS, this Z/28 really wasn't necessary however at the same time I am glad that they made it.

Surprised no one picked up on this but you. My guess is that they were pulling in the nostalgia card. In the 60s both the BOSS and Z28 were built for homologation of the respective car in Trans-AM racing. Back in the day this was a huge rivalry and both cars were fairly closely matched.

Now both cars were built not for racing but to sell street (or track day) cars. Because they are not intended for the same racing series there is no common spec. Comparing them now is like comparing a GT and GTC class car in the current American Le Mans series. Both look similar but the spec is so different it is not even in the same ball park.

[72MachOne99GT]

Gasp. ..marketing!

Those sly geese..

Even though Ford (specifically SVTs Jamaal Hameedi) isn't big on the trash talk like some..I would've enjoyed a video showing the GT500 slapping around a competitor.

As a Ford guy I see nothing wrong with the video. As I said, marketing at work. And apparently working because here we are. Though, I don't believe that many Z/28s are going to be purchased by the common enthusiast, so this type of marketing is more of a pride thing than anything.

[Denis]

maybe im confused....The Camaro and the Mustang are and will probably always be rivals. so it would only make sense that they compared the two. would you guys have rathered they compared it to the GT500...which is slower around the track?

[LostPony]

I think the problem most are having, well most Ford guys, is that the cars are not as close in spec as they were in the old days. In 1969 both had 302 engines, weighed nearly the same, and competed head to head on the racetrack.

Now the Camaro has a much larger engine, and is predicted to have a much higher price than it's rival. Also, the Boss is built and raced in the Continental Tire Series, in pretty much the same spec as the street car. The engine is the same, although a bit detuned for "competition parity". The Camaro in the series is closer to the 1LE, but with more lightweight parts. The new Z/28, while cool and closer to how I would have liked my Boss equipped, on paper it is in another league altogether.

I like the car, but I don't view it as a competitor to my car, and I would have chosen another car as the benchmark to beat. You know, like something currently in production.

[Mikamaro]

Originally Posted by LostPony

I think the problem most are having, well most Ford guys, is that the cars are not as close in spec as they were in the old days. In 1969 both had 302 engines, weighed nearly the same, and competed head to head on the racetrack.

Now the Camaro has a much larger engine, and is predicted to have a much higher price than it's rival. Also, the Boss is built and raced in the Continental Tire Series, in pretty much the same spec as the street car. The engine is the same, although a bit detuned for "competition parity". The Camaro in the series is closer to the 1LE, but with more lightweight parts. The new Z/28, while cool and closer to how I would have liked my Boss equipped, on paper it is in another league altogether.

I like the car, but I don't view it as a competitor to my car, and I would have chosen another car as the benchmark to beat. You know, like something currently in production.

Not much of what you said other then your first paragraph is true.

You seriously think Roush Racing has a Stock Boss302?
Rules are the same for everyone in the GS class Serie: Power/weight ratio, specific suspension components and manufacturer, tires, restrictions, etc...
Might as well mention the Pirelli World Championship? (since the Camaro won the championship)
You think those are Stock too?

Price point? no prices yet so why bother speculate but for this purpose I think is normal for one to you pay more for a higher performance car, no?
Current Production year benchmark: They are still selling 2013 Boss LS right now aren't they? any performance differences from the 2012 Boss302 LS?

[woodside783]

SWEET????????

[Mikamaro]

Originally Posted by Denis

maybe im confused....The Camaro and the Mustang are and will probably always be rivals. so it would only make sense that they compared the two. would you guys have rathered they compared it to the GT500...which is slower around the track?

I think Ford Fans have enough of losing in the face of the Camaro (understandable) and wishes to move the spotlight of these comparisons to the likes of the Porsche GT3s and Nissan GTRs has Al Oppenheiser joyfully mentionned.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by 2012-1822

Pretty cool. And the obvious question is exactly the one I would have asked. Who knew? Besides Al that is.



This is correct. They "updated" the radio and hill assist in 2013, then the taillights and rear fascia on the 2014 and that's pretty much it. All ZL1's thus far should perform about the same.


Why are you here? Go troll somewhere else and leave the rest of us here to watch our porn in peace please.

No troll. I like, have always liked Camaro's, ZED cars in particular. I came here originally on rumour that the upcoming ZL1 was in fact going to be the Z. And now we know it was, but Big Al was kept awake at night and decided it was not yet the car. So in the meantime we get the ZL1 beating on the Boss, the 1LE beating on the Boss and now the Z/28 beating on the Boss. But the Boss has retired. Frankly I like the Z/28 and am impressed with it's performance, but the one of the three I would probably have bought would have been the 1LE, best combo of a NA motor and price. Still I already had a Boss at that point and was having a tonne of fun in it; so much so I wanted more of a track star. The Z isn't it. Too heavy and too late in the product life cycle. The gen 6 might be perfect, but by then I may be in my second ever new Mustang if Ford delivers a response to the Z/28. No Ford fanboy (although Al works hard to make me one), but I will always go for the enthusiast's car that fits me at the moment I'm looking. For years it was BMW, then this Ford. Who knows really, what's next. I don't.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I get what youre saying...but I also think this is an older video, and as others said, it's the car Ford has established as their track car.

I dont think the z/28 is going to experience the zl1 syndrome...where your thunder is stolen and performance is one-upped by a competitor that reaches the market only a matter of months after its own much hyped release.

Until Ford has their IRS equipped Mustang dialed in a year or two after its initial release, I think this Z will be the best road course car from America behind a handful of Corvettes, and a Viper or two.

Good point. As much as I'm hoping for great things from the next Camaro and Mustang, expecting it the first year may be unrealistic.