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10-17-2021, 05:13 PM | #31 | |
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10-17-2021, 05:35 PM | #33 | |
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You're talking about a 100% fundamental change to how performance cars will operate. Its the entire "engine" being replaced by batteries. How does a battery "improve" the driving experience? Ill answer: It doesnt. How does a battery make the ownership experience better? It doesnt. How does a battery facilitate upgrades, tweaking and other very much enjoyable hobby aspect of "toy" car ownership? It doesnt. Geesh - even on Camaro forums we cant get away from stupid battery stuff. Ugh. Guess we'll just stick to our niche although I believe there is a damned huge following for ICE cars. It wont be a niche at all. |
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10-17-2021, 06:42 PM | #35 | |
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Like you, I will stick with a stick shift ICE fun car. And note I said fun, not fast. EVs can do 0.1s 0-60 and it doesn't matter and is also frankly useless for daily driving. Granted, EVs are quieter and can get away with some level of aggressive acceleration more easily than an ICE sports car, but if you are going 60 MPH down a 30 MPH road, a cop will be able to tell. Then again, for someone living in a bigger city with competent public transit, I am finding myself preferring that and cycling to driving an EV. I mentioned this in other threads, but EVs don't solve the fundamental issues of bad traffic and tough, expensive parking for me. Public transits and cycling have their own limitations for sure, but in downtown areas, they are generally not terrible options. Quote:
You also talk like you live a quarter-mile at a time with the whole "EV performance is better." I mean, I get that performance is important, but there is a reason why people like cars like Miata. It's not the best in terms of performance, but if you have never driven one, I feel bad for you. You have to understand that fun and performance are not necessarily tied together. They don't tend to be mutually exclusive but that can happen. The true irony is that even at open tracking days where car performance can matter, people are there for the experience and the fun, not "my horse is bigger than yours." There are all kinds of cars there, all from different performance categories. If EV floats your boat and can bring you that experience, absolutely, but not everyone is like that. And a little bit of vibration isn't a bad thing for a car like a Camaro SS. It's supposed to be raw and brute. That's what American V8 means to me.
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I approve of this message. . Im actually quite surprised that there is much excitement at all over turning weekend toys into a Nissan Leaf wannabe. Why cant EVs and ICE cars co-exist? There is no reason whatsoever they cannot. |
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They will have to. It will not be possible to make a wholesale change overnight. It will take a decade, probably two, for EV production to exceed ICE production. Then there’s the whole issue of vehicles already on the road. It will take a few decades to replace the vehicles in operation. We’re talking billion with a b vehicles. And that’s just the US. Not Canada, not Mexico, not the rest of the world.
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While all the talk is EVs lately it is nice to see some cars make a return. Nissan Z with 400hp and a manual 6 speed, new versions of the GT86/BRZ, Acura Integra announced with a 6 speed manual, Supra/BMW, Lexus IS500 with a V8. It looks like all the Japanese brands are starting to release enthusiast vehicles while GM will only have the Corvette, which has a ~$70k cost of entry.
At least Dodge is trying to get ahead of it a create a performance brand for EVs. Going fast in an EV is easy, it is the other stuff that will be hard to get just right. For example, if Dodge tries to simulate sound of exhaust then it will have to be as good or better than a real exhaust otherwise it will be a failure. Another example, would be driving dynamics. With 500+ ft lbs of instant torque you should be able to light up the tires but if Dodge does what Tesla does with their traction control/stability control the car will not be playful at all. It will just cut power until it grips. I am open minded and I hope they will build something that is fun to drive. For example, I think an EV based Miata would be a riot. Keep the battery small (250 miles of range), RWD only. Imagine 350-400 ft lbs of torque in 2500lb vehicle.
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Do any of you think electric go karts are boring? Are they more boring than gas powered go karts?
I find both electric and gas to be fun as hell, so I'm totally willing to try an electric muscle car. Can't wait until Dodge says "We're no longer making the Hemi. We're now making the Hem-E!" |
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Someone over at the Miata forum did the math already. It could be light, but not Miata light. 2500 lbs is hard to do without sacrificing a lot of range. Also, this is talking about a conversion process. If Mazda has to design a Miata-like car ground up, then there are things like safety regulations, etc. to worry about which can result in even more weight.
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