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I'm with Blizzard on this one, reducing the weight in the Camaro by 100-150lbs is impossible especially with the suspension that would be going on the Z28. They could lose close to 100lbs by using the Corvettes Transverse Leaf Spring rear suspension setup with the Corvette's IRS. The Camaro's complete rear suspension, differential and IRS system together weighs something like 375+lbs... That's almost just as much as the LS3 weighs.. that would explain the near 50/50 front and rear weight distribution. If GM used a solid rear axle, the Camaro would lose about 225lbs right off the bat... but it will never happen. Last edited by thePill; 05-09-2011 at 01:38 PM. |
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That makes a lot of sense, SCE. I personally prefer the big V8. a new Direct Injection engine sporting a twin turbo, on a lighter Zeta platform with aluminum & carbon fiber would be the way to make a Camaro lighter, but would it still be a Camaro? That sounds more like a Supercar than a Muscle Car. I would be happy with a Z28 coming out in a couple of years with as much weight savings and bleeding edge handling as can be managed, possibly even with the insane added expense of going the aluminum/carbon route, but that would be a Z28 for someone else to drive. 50k is stretching me quite literally past the comfort zone as it is. Every one of us would love to see a Z28 beating Lamborghinis around a track, or neck and neck with a ZR1, but could enough of us afford one to make it cost effective to build one? I don't think so. I can't afford a ZR1 either. So, to make a long opinion short, I will take my ZL1 and be quite happy with it. I just think they named it wrong. .
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Now the talk of a V6 is also not the answer here at all, and no its not "The Z28 has to have a monster V8" speech, its a numbers thing. The stress on the motor from Road Racing is tremendous, and the added pressure from boosting (by use of turbos) would shorten the engines life considerably. While this is ok for one race engines in professorial racing, its not for a car that is a daily driver first.
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They need to offer the car with either aluminum trailing arm and lighter drive shafts or put a solid axle in it. That's what the mustang has and it seems to fair pretty well. There is 100lbs that can be lost. Wheels can be lighter, driveshaft from trans to rear end can be lighter. Manual seats, lighter wheels etc. It can be done and I don't think it would be that hard.
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I see what you're saying and I agree with you, but there is just too much technology in that GTR for these two cars to be similar. The dual-clutch transmission from Getrag is amazing.
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Drag racing is becoming pretty popular in Europe. As gas prices rise, the desire to race does as well. Road racing takes a lot of fuel and drag racing does not. Something the Europeans see as efficient. Old tech is cheap and usually lightweight. Pushrods will eventually reach their maximum potential and be limited by design. Solid rear axles are pretty much as far as they can go but will always have a home in drag racing. The Macpherson strut 3- link front suspension is old technology. Ford actually designed that in the 1950's. Both the Mustang and the Camaro uses the Macpherson strut front suspension. Ford has the Virtual pivot control link double wishbone (4-link) front suspension on deck for the Mustang III and I hope that they use it. People tend to forget about the front suspension and get caught up in those three magic letters "IRS". Most Camaro owners don't know that their front suspension is very outdated... and designed by Ford... |
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I completely agree
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