Mustang Will Be Nürburgring-Tuned, But No Times Will Be Released

[OldScoolCamaro]

...who really freakn' cares what Ford says...they introduced the design so far in advance it makes me wonder if they know what they are doing. It's beyond marketing comprehension. Perhaps some grandson or nephew of Henry Ford has been given the task just because. Hahaaa.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

...who really freakn' cares what Ford says...they introduced the design so far in advance it makes me wonder if they know what they are doing. It's beyond marketing comprehension. Perhaps some grandson or nephew of Henry Ford has been given the task just because. Hahaaa.

You do realize that it will be about the same time frame the Camaro was introduced til it hit showrooms according to when they say it will be available.

[newmoon]

IMO the only way to test the vehicle would be to take a vehicle directly off a dealer’s lot, no factory tuned ringers. Allow the manufacturer to choose the driver for their vehicle, no sandbagging. Test the vehicles on the same day, same conditions.
Other than this you really have no idea what you are getting. This would allow for no excuses.

[backtotintops]

McLaren did not release their P1 time either probably because it was not as fast as the Porsche 918

[madmax13]

Originally Posted by backtotintops

McLaren did not release their P1 time either probably because it was not as fast as the Porsche 918

INSANE VIDEO!!! HOLY CRAP!!!! I WANT THIS CAR MORE THAN ANY!!! AND YES ALL CAPS ARE NECESSARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LostPony]

How many times is this dead horse going to be beaten? Pun intended. Ford has never released times, period. It's not like they were doing it, then GM bettered the times, and they stopped. They have never done it. They probably never will, even if they do run a faster time. With the lax controls over timing, if they did do a time and it beat the Z/28, the time would be scrutinized endlessly looking for discrepancies.

Simple fact is that the course is a more cost effective way to get massive amounts of data on handling and performance than it is to build an 11 mile track here.

Oh, and why unveil the car so early? How many threads are there on a Camaro specific site discussing the car to DEATH? It is generating a ton of publicity well in advance of the car going on sale. The 'net is ablaze with speculation and rumor and debate, none of which will stop until magazines and customers get their grubby hands on a car.

[87GNX]

Forget ring times........let's just end this on the streets of mexico...

[Dakota Kid]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

The Mustang GT is not intended to compete with the Z/28, but rather the SS. What does this mean in relation to the Z/28? The rumor is a track oriented Mustang will come out later. Hopefully Ford will keep the price out of the crazy range. Ring times are fun to compare, but it is not a very representative race track. So really the GT only has to beat 8:20. Do you doubt it will?

This is the best post in this thread.

I do not doubt for a second the new GT can beat 8:20.....

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by LostPony

How many times is this dead horse going to be beaten? Pun intended. Ford has never released times, period. It's not like they were doing it, then GM bettered the times, and they stopped. They have never done it. They probably never will, even if they do run a faster time. With the lax controls over timing, if they did do a time and it beat the Z/28, the time would be scrutinized endlessly looking for discrepancies.

Simple fact is that the course is a more cost effective way to get massive amounts of data on handling and performance than it is to build an 11 mile track here.

Oh, and why unveil the car so early? How many threads are there on a Camaro specific site discussing the car to DEATH? It is generating a ton of publicity well in advance of the car going on sale. The 'net is ablaze with speculation and rumor and debate, none of which will stop until magazines and customers get their grubby hands on a car.

This^

[RLHMARINES]

GM pushes all around performance and shows lap times, g-force readings, 0-60, slalom speeds and also 1/4 times to name a few things.

Ford says it will not publish 'ring times but was actively pushing the LS and the GT500 with various dignitary professional drivers at VIR, Laguna Seca, to name just a few. They also had one of their press event at a drag strip boasting how fast it was in the 1/4 mile.

It's what they do and I'm fine with it but do not say you do not think that the other is not important enough not to release when it says a lot about how well your car can handle.

We all know how the lightning lap times bore out, don't we.

Yes track times are one thing but real world driving dynamics are the results of a properly sorted out chassis for which GM lately has been unequaled in their pursuit in achieving.

[OldScoolCamaro]

...GM is very specific in the numbers is releases, and has the testing to back it up. They are scientific in performance results, and I am sure they can back it up if necessary. Theres no fuzzy math with GM....

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

. Theres no fuzzy math with GM....

There's always been fuzzy math with every manufacturer when it comes to marketing performance and I doubt that will change anytime soon. The problem is that third parties have the technology and pocket books to try and keep manufactures honest.

Remember the video by the GM engineers at the drag strip with the ZL1 trying to prove that it would run in the 11's stock. Then we find out later that the run happen on drag slicks which they seemly tried to leave out.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

The only thing the 2015 Mustang GT has to beat, in my opinion, is 3 minutes around VIR's 4.1 mile grand course for me to consider it as having the upper hand on any Camaro that does not have a "Z" in its nomenclature.

Make that 2:58.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/30/w...ir-in-2-58-34/

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by motorhead

There's always been fuzzy math with every manufacturer when it comes to marketing performance and I doubt that will change anytime soon. The problem is that third parties have the technology and pocket books to try and keep manufactures honest.

Remember the video by the GM engineers at the drag strip with the ZL1 trying to prove that it would run in the 11's stock. Then we find out later that the run happen on drag slicks which they seemly tried to leave out.

..but whatever you are referring to in drag times for the ZL1 in the 11's is not what the car is advertised to do officially.