04-25-2018, 02:45 PM | #15 |
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Maybe I pulled the wrong one. But I copied that title into google and opened it. It said 2015 to 2017. So I’m not sure.
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04-25-2018, 02:50 PM | #16 |
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The document has been revised 7 times that I know of. Probably an old version on google. No biggie. I'm just trying to understand like everyone else.
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04-25-2018, 02:53 PM | #17 |
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Thank you for the reply from Al! I sincerely appreciate him taking the time to address our issues and give us an explanation! And thank you to Camaro5 for the opportunity to ask questions to the GM Team!!
I just picked mine up from the shop. This will be the second flush I've received. I spoke to the foreman and he said he thinks that when they did the flush the first time that the ATF bottles looks the same but the manufacturer date had to be past a certain date. He says now they made sure that the date was correct and they used Mobile 1 but did not replace the filter. Says they couldn't duplicate the shudder when it went in, (yet it does it all the time). I was honestly expecting a new torque converter, especially since I've already been through one round of flushing. I explained to him that I was an early production, my production date is 6/2016, so I'm one of the ones that could of had the issue even after the first flush. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this fixed it.
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04-25-2018, 03:05 PM | #18 |
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Haven’t people had the TC replaced only for the shudder to return? Maybe they replaced the TC but still used the old fluid?
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04-25-2018, 03:43 PM | #20 |
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Al says they fixed it in production March of 17 and the TSB lists the end of 2017 production as the breakpoint. Looks like a two month overlap for a clean breaking point (MY17) or to allow an overlap.
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04-25-2018, 03:54 PM | #22 |
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No. Al says they fixed it March of 17, the SI document states EOP (end of production) That includes all RPO's I previously posted. More than a few months of overlap.
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04-25-2018, 04:21 PM | #24 | |
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I'm not sure what you are getting at, or not understanding/trying to say. Are you reading the current SI document?? I don't want to start a pissing match. I can read, and I completely understand what AL said. The problem is the answer contradicts what GM is telling the dealer's on the service side as far as what is affected, and how to repair the concern.
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As for the slip values, it's not hard to see how an additive designed to stop shudder that was insufficient would be the root cause. Disabling the slip tables was the band-aid, because all you were doing was removing the reason for the additive to exist in the first place. No conspiracy theories needed. Now the reasons/benefits of the slip tables is another story, but think we can leave that to another thread. I for one and glad Al and team took the time to answer this one. It gives me greater confidence in the repairs to mine. But like someone mentioned about used A8 cars, definitely a good reason for concern if buying one out of warranty or close to it.
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and Al said he was speaking only for Camaro. The TSB is not model specific regarding date range
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04-25-2018, 04:51 PM | #27 |
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Just to be clear. The SI document does specifically list Camaro, the year range, and the RPO's affected. We are still doing these on 2018's, billing GM with unique Labor Operation 8480478* and getting paid. Now there is a significant drop in 2018 complaints and warranty claims. Did they change something in the tune? Who knows.
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Were dealers and service departments made aware of the build dates of the Camaros and the cut-off date of when the up-graded trans fluid was used from the factory? I ask only because I've never noticed one thread where the customer states, "Hey, guess what? there's a new tranny fluid that fixes the problem!" Sheesh....what a mess.... Last edited by 90503; 04-25-2018 at 06:17 PM. |
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