8 & 9 year old human garbage likely totaled my car

[Dfault]

Spanking is known as negative rewards and has been proven to be effective through studies. I'm not saying to go to town on your kids, but effective corporal punishment is when you tell them what you did wrong and then you administer the punishment. It isn't like when I was a kid, they'd just start beating my ass if I did something out of line.

I've got a super clean criminal record and my parents are to thank for that. It isn't because I'm afraid to get spankings now, its because through the years and through discipline, it got embedded into my subconscious mind that certain things yield bad rewards.

[Crim]

Originally Posted by Hetfield03

Uh, I got spanked and never shot anyone in school. My ex wife who believed only in time out's kid has been to jail three times since turning 18. He's 20 now.

Maybe not to this extreme but I guarantee you this is the norm.

Originally Posted by Dfault

Spanking is known as negative rewards and has been proven to be effective through studies. I'm not saying to go to town on your kids, but effective corporal punishment is when you tell them what you did wrong and then you administer the punishment. It isn't like when I was a kid, they'd just start beating my ass if I did something out of line.

I've got a super clean criminal record and my parents are to thank for that. It isn't because I'm afraid to get spankings now, its because through the years and through discipline, it got embedded into my subconscious mind that certain things yield bad rewards.

^^Exactly...

It totally cracks me up when people refer to spanking as beating or cruel punishment LOL. They are normally the worst parents.

My wife used to babysit two kids whose parents didn't believe in spanking etc... They were great kids who played all day with happy smiles on their faces until the moment the parents drove up in the driveway. It was like flipping a switch as they became holy terrors crying and whining and slapping their parents in the face and demanding everything.

[jd10013]

Originally Posted by 1Coopgt

I beg to differ on that one. I was spanked as a child if I messed up and you know what . I learned not to do bad things and I also learned respect for my elders which youth of today are sorely lacking .

I had three kids, now 23, 22, and 20. none ever spanked, not once. none have ever been in trouble, don't smoke, drink or do drugs, and all working full time jobs. 1 has moved out to start her own life, one is leaving in july.

what exactly is your point?

the problem in this country isn't a lack of beatings. the fact that more than half the children born in this country are born out of wedlock and raised by single parents is a far greater contributor to the current situation than a lack of beatings. do you realize that about 85% of the prison population was raised by single mothers? not sure what percentage was beaten as children, but I'd be willing to bet it's significantly high too. at any rate, my wife and I decided early on we wanted our kids to respect us, not be afraid of us.

[CamaroCracka]

Just to start our sexist portion of the thread, I think girls are a different than boys when it comes to this. I never spank my girls either, not because I'm opposed to the idea, but I don't really need to. They know that all the things they like to do are dependent on their behavior and when they do act up, they respond to other forms of consequences.

I don't know that spanking works, didn't seem to work for me. I didn't get spanked a lot, but I grew up with two parents who were quite normal; however, I was attracted to doing wrong. I probably needed to fear the consequences a little more than I did. I liked hanging out with the kids raised by single moms. I remember some of them saying they wanted to be friends with their kids. That did not work out so well for them.

There are tons of variables and no absolutes. One thing I do know is when people frame an argument in a manner that tries to shame other parties, it's probably in one of the tails of the reality curve.

[JLSuperfly]

My 6 year old son gets a big kick out of picking his nose then have our dog eat his booger. God, I hope he grows up normal.

[Drumminxx]

Originally Posted by JLSuperfly

My 6 year old son gets a big kick out of picking his nose then have our dog eat his booger. God, I hope he grows up normal.

I don't know man, I still do that and it cracks me up too. I wish you the best of luck.

[pickwithaustin]

Originally Posted by jimlem

Don't go away mad, Austin, just go away.

I'm not mad at all.
And I shall not go away. You can block me, or you can continue to see me. it is up to you. I won't make your choices for you, you can make choices of your own now.

[Drumminxx]

[pickwithaustin]

Originally Posted by jd10013

I had three kids, now 23, 22, and 20. none ever spanked, not once. none have ever been in trouble, don't smoke, drink or do drugs, and all working full time jobs. 1 has moved out to start her own life, one is leaving in july.

It is possible that your methods of raising them is what resulted in how they turned out, but it is also possible that some people maybe can't respond to learning from example, or perhaps some parents do not set the right examples, and in which case it is entirely possible that the spanking is the only method that they are capable of responding to and learning from. Who knows.

Some people who were spanked as kids turned out bad anyways.
Some people who were spanked as kids turned out good.
Some people who were not spanked as kids turned out bad anyways.
Some people who were not spanked as kids turned out good.

That being the case, I don't think the deciding factor all the time was whether or not spankings were applied.

[el ess A]

Fugg spanking. Teach them the broken windows theory while they're young...every crime comes with consequences.

And if you make the consequences count, deterrence is a great factor. We used it with Russia in the Cold War (we had nukes and just THREATENED to use them to keep peace).

ONCE...




TWICE....



Third time probably don't need mentioning.

Be good for goodness' sake!

[jd10013]

Originally Posted by pickwithaustin

It is possible that your methods of raising them is what resulted in how they turned out, but it is also possible that some people maybe can't respond to learning from example, or perhaps some parents do not set the right examples, and in which case it is entirely possible that the spanking is the only method that they are capable of responding to and learning from. Who knows.

Some people who were spanked as kids turned out bad anyways.
Some people who were spanked as kids turned out good.
Some people who were not spanked as kids turned out bad anyways.
Some people who were not spanked as kids turned out good.

That being the case, I don't think the deciding factor all the time was whether or not spankings were applied.

I'm not so much saying beatings don't work so much as they're unnecessary. My parents beat the hell out of me when I was a kid, and that fear of god they put in me and my sibling definitely kept me out of trouble, at least major trouble. my opinion is more that if you have to resort to physical discipline to control your kids, keep them out of trouble through pain and fear; well, you've probably failed as a parent. it's certainly the easier route, but not one I ever wanted to take.

[Alfieboy]

op sorry bout car... this post; complete waste

[TommyTheCat]

I'd hire some kids to fight them
pay them with candy, no paper trail

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by Dmaxcc6spd

Hoping to have some facts today.

From discussions with my bodyshop, he's guessing about $8,000 just to paint the car. This doesn't include body work, glass replacement, wheel damage, lights, trim, etc.

Still hopeful for a total.

You won't be close to a total, you'll still come out less than $15k. There have been crash threads on here where the repair bill was over $20k with structural damage and wasn't totaled.