04-12-2015, 10:43 AM | #225 |
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Take away the traction advantage AWD gives over RWD, in a straight line situation, with the correct wheel/tire setup and all you have is more weight and higher cost. DCT is great, no arguments there but it would drive cost up I would imagine. The type of DCT that could handle the LT1/LT4 torque would be a pretty expensive transmission I bet. This is after all suppose to be a performance car that the average person can afford. I really want a 6th gen SS but if it has a starting MSRP of $40k before options I would look else where.
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04-12-2015, 11:28 AM | #226 | |
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04-12-2015, 02:18 PM | #227 | |
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AWD is why the GTR can still run with a Z06 with much less HP. So it's not just launch. I fully agree, this car must remain affordable. And GM has Cadillac ATS and CTS Vs that should remain aspirational above the Camaro.
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04-12-2015, 02:44 PM | #228 | |
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04-12-2015, 04:39 PM | #229 | |
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04-12-2015, 05:11 PM | #230 | |
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The trans of the GTR is costing 3 times a Z06 trans. Almost no HP lost in the drivetrain. Have you ever drove a GTR? Its stiff as hell (2-3 times a 1LE)!!! I cant imagine how stupid stiff is a Nismo GTR. Every time you hit a small pothole in a GTR it feels like your wheel is gonna split in half... About the Nismo beeing faster in a straight line, it seems the Z gearing sucks or it overheats or aero or whatever. There is a problem happening at high speed and GM needs to fix this. The Nismo was going 10mph + faster in the straight away. Somethings wrong here.
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04-12-2015, 05:48 PM | #231 | |
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04-12-2015, 06:05 PM | #232 | |
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And after they broke down the laps, the GTR was still only faster in a straight line. Mid corner and corner entry went to the Z06. That's where light weight shines. It's only so useful to have great drive off the corner if you have to park at the apex to get the car turned. And AWD cars almost always push the front on corner entry and suffer mid corner because of it.
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04-12-2015, 06:28 PM | #233 |
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LMFAO ........ that ken block ride Is Not the Average AWD set-up that you could buy from the dealer, that cannot even be compared to anything .... Can an average AWD, Un-Chained, Non Custom ride do a Burn-out ???
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04-12-2015, 09:27 PM | #234 | |
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A DCT that would reliably handle the torque of a LT1/LT4 for 60k miles would undoubtedly add cost to the Vette and Camaro. Name me another mfg's DCT and I bet it comes in a more expensive car or has a DCT that wouldnt handle the power. V8 M3 is a perfect example. That car is expensive and its DCT would never reliably handle LT1/4 torque. I'm not saying a properly built DCT couldn't handle the torque. I'm saying it would for sure add cost. AWD would add weight AND add cost. More cost + more weight = for me. I'm middle class who won't push my car to the limits in cornering, drag race on occasion, don't drive this car in snow and am not afraid to use a drag radial tire so I might be in the minority when I say I want it as light as possible without any added cost.
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A Jetta also has narrow tires with front wheel drive. These are staggered 245/275 widths with rear wheel drive. The wider the tire, the worse they tend to perform in wet, cold and snow. The all-season performance of a Camaro on PZero's is nothing short of terrible. It will be hard to find a worse tire for the car...except for course for the F1's! There are reports of the F1's cracking just driving around in <40 degree temps. Not doing anything stupid or dangerous. Just cruising on the highway or driving around town in perfectly dry, clear, <40 degree temps.
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04-13-2015, 08:43 AM | #238 | |
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The market for summer only street tires don't make much sense. They fail in most real-world conditions and aren't very good on a track, either. Sell the car with proper all-seasons, then if you want a track tire buy an actual track tire. A summer only street tire is the most useless tire of all because they fail to do anything well.
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